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Nevada Seeks to Eliminate Philosophy

Daniel Nicholas Chodowiecki: The Death of Socrates

I was in the middle of teaching the difference between knowledge and belief when my cell phone buzzed in my pocket. It was a call from the dean of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas College of Liberal Arts. The dean informed me that he was very sorry but, barring an unlikely immediate solution to the state’s financial crisis, the university had decided to eliminate the Philosophy Department, which I chair. In July, I would be given a one-year terminal contract. After that, the university would fire me, along with all of my departmental colleagues, after twenty years of service.

“What are they thinking?” a friend asked the next day. “You can’t have a university without a philosophy department!” Others have expressed similar shock.

But I actually wasn’t surprised. Philosophy has prompted confusion and anger ever since Socrates, one of the first practitioners of the discipline, was sentenced to death in 399 B.C.E. for “corrupting the youth.” Puzzlement over why people study philosophy has only grown since Socrates’ era. It is not surprising that in hard economic times, when young people are figuring out how best to prepare themselves for the world, many state college administrators and the taxpayers they serve believe that offering classes in philosophy is a luxury they can’t afford.

Yet people think of philosophy as a luxury only if they don’t really understand what philosophy departments do. I teach one of the core areas of philosophy, epistemology: what knowledge is and how we obtain it. People from all walks of life—physicists, physicians, detectives, politicians—can only come to good conclusions on the basis of thoroughly examining the appropriate evidence. And the whole idea of what constitutes good evidence and how certain kinds of evidence can and can’t justify certain conclusions is a central part of what philosophers study. Philosophers look at what can and can’t be inferred from prior claims. They examine what makes analogies strong or weak, the conditions under which we should and shouldn’t defer to experts, and what kinds of things (e.g., inflammatory rhetoric, wishful thinking, inadequate sample size) lead us to reason poorly.

This is not to say that doctors, district attorneys, or drain manufactures cannot make decent assessments without ever taking a philosophy class. It’s also possible for someone to diagnose a case of measles without having gone to medical school. The point is that people will tend to do better if, as part of their education, they’ve studied some philosophy. (This is one of the reasons why undergraduate philosophy majors have the highest average scores on the standard tests used for admission to post-graduate study.) No matter what goals someone has, she can better achieve them through assessing evidence more effectively, which philosophy can teach her. Questions about whether this or that goal is one that is good to have or whether certain goals are consistent with other goals, in turn, concern ethics and values—other subjects that philosophers have long pursued.



• • •


Clearly, then, studying philosophy can help people in almost any area of endeavor.

Yet what astonishes me is not that the immense long-term value of philosophy is so often unrecognized, but that many Americans think it especially problematic to find resources to fund philosophical training. It’s long been recognized that some tasks are best coordinated by governments, and that to succeed in these efforts, governments have to raise revenue from citizens. Since colonial times, Americans have recognized that education is one of the things that taxpayers need to support (and those were some lean times!). Sadly, over the last several decades, Americans seem to have grown accustomed to thinking that they can have roads, schools, fire departments, and Medicare without fully paying for them. Now that such thinking has proven a fantasy, taxpayers should have responded with a sensible, “We should have been paying for these things, and perhaps we should start.” Instead they have clamored to cut spending—usually on things that don’t directly concern them or whose immediate benefits aren’t apparent. Such thinking leads new Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval to propose a budget with enormous cuts to education (including elementary school). And it leads college administrators to insist that these cuts require eliminating the Philosophy Department.

Yes, it costs money to pay philosophy professors, but if that means our citizens reason better, then it’s money well spent.

But it is simply untrue that Americans don’t have the money to pay for philosophy. Americans haven’t paid so little in taxes as a proportion of the GDP since the Truman administration. We pay less than citizens of most industrialized countries. That’s why government “can’t” afford philosophy education. While many people hurting from the recession can’t pay more in taxes, it’s certainly fair for wealthier Americans and corporations to pay more, since they arguably benefit the most from roads, schools, and police forces. They have also benefited the most from past income-tax reduction and will suffer the least from income loss now. Yes, it costs money to pay philosophy professors, but if that means a doctor makes a better diagnosis, a police officer fingers the right suspect, a politician crafts a better law, and our citizens reason better, then it’s money well spent.



• • •


In the meantime, what’s going to happen to my department?

Well, the proposal to eliminate it is not yet a done deal. Indeed, the proposal to balance Nevada’s budget by making enormous cuts (while, astonishingly, promising no new taxes at all, even on Nevada’s incredibly profitable mining industry) is not a done deal either. So when I’m not grading or preparing courses, I spend my days making arguments (like the ones philosophers tend to study) in order to convince legislators, administrators, and community members that eliminating the UNLV Philosophy Department is a poor way to help solve the state budget crisis. Coming from a discipline that studies argumentation and evidence, how to make ethically sound decisions, and the ideas that have shaped the history of our civilization, I have a lot of good material to draw upon.

But it’s certainly possible that all my efforts will come to naught and that I will soon join the many Nevadans who can’t pay their mortgages. My children seem especially nervous. “Will I be able to keep my toys?” my eight-year old asks. I tell him that I’m working hard every day to prevent the cuts.

“What did Joe Hill say?” I ask my son. He knows the answer. “Don’t mourn, organize,” the imprisoned union advocate told his supporters. “But didn’t Joe Hill die?” he asks. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

But I’m not about to die. If I should fail, I know I’ll be okay. True, I have no idea what I would do if I were fired. Apart from stints as a cherry picker and entertaining amusement-park goers as a costumed raccoon, being a philosophy professor is all I’ve done. But if I have to pack up, sell everything, and move away, I’ll remember Kurt Vonnegut’s advice: “Peculiar travel suggestions are dancing lessons from God.”

I do worry, however, about what will happen to citizens of states like mine that make highly damaging cuts for short-term gain despite clear alternatives. The decisions to balance the budget by drastically cutting education and to enact that cut by eliminating a major university’s philosophy department were not based on good arguments. That’s a reason for more philosophical study—not less.


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Comments

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Very Good Atricle.
It is sad that education is the first thing to go, and of course the one aspect of it that is the least understood and ultimately the most beneficial. I was an English Major, and feel most of my ideas were best rounded out by philosophy. It bled into my studies, and I'm a better person because of it.

Thanks for fighting the good fight.
— posted 04/05/2011 at 18:39 by Casey
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If you believe education is expensive, compare it with ignorance.

Thank you for the article.
— posted 04/05/2011 at 21:49 by Zenon
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Who made that comment about "compare it with ignorance?" May we borrow it? It's brilliant!
— posted 04/06/2011 at 01:32 by Beverly Rogers
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Software Engineer
‎"Philosophers look at what can and can’t be inferred from prior claims." To what extent has their evaluation succeeded in clarifying academic structures (e.g. aptitude tests that philosophical pedagogy itself requires, organizational hierarchy and financial dependency) when non-philosophers adjudicate their fate? Socratic philosophers may well go on becoming public martyrs through no choice of their own...
— posted 04/06/2011 at 03:20 by Umayr H
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Another liberal elitist who thinks he deserves our money
When has this Jones person worked a day in his life? Doesn't he know its a recession and people are struggling? So why does he want us, the taxpayers, to pay him, to do things that the private sector can do more efficiently. If we raise taxes, then all the businesses will leave, and then what will have in Nevada? A third-world economy based only on tourism and mineral extraction, with a poorly educated workforce that has no skills, thats what.

So that goes to show you, Mr Philosopher, that if we the public pay for education, we will only end up with no education. Whereas if we don't pay for it, we will ensure prosperity and education for all.

QED
— posted 04/06/2011 at 05:58 by Angry Stupid Nevadan
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"Angry Stupid Nevadan" - Did you read the article?
— posted 04/06/2011 at 06:33 by Greg.
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Comment 6 is a terrific argument for the importance of philosophy.

If nothing else, we need people who can distinguish between arguments and rants, and who can use the phrase "QED" correctly.
— posted 04/06/2011 at 07:43 by Jonathan
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You defeat yourself here. You state "but if that means a doctor makes a better diagnosis, a police officer fingers the right suspect, a politician crafts a better law, and our citizens reason better, then it’s money well spent," but give no evidence that the study of philosophy has led to any of these results--and yet you tell us that philosophy teaches us how to weigh evidence and make arguments. It certainly has not taught you how to construct an argument.
— posted 04/06/2011 at 15:58 by David
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What about the businesses that won't come?
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/dec/29/anti-tax-lonely-stance
— posted 04/06/2011 at 16:52 by Maria
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I have some evidence....
"You defeat yourself here. You state "but if that means a doctor makes a better diagnosis, a police officer fingers the right suspect, a politician crafts a better law, and our citizens reason better, then it’s money well spent," but give no evidence that the study of philosophy has led to any of these results--and yet you tell us that philosophy teaches us how to weigh evidence and make arguments. It certainly has not taught you how to construct an argument."

Hi there person who posted this. I use the reasoning skills Todd Jones taught me in his classes at UNLV everyday as a counselor. There is your evidence you requested.
— posted 04/06/2011 at 17:16 by Nikki
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"Hi there person who posted this. I use the reasoning skills Todd Jones taught me in his classes at UNLV everyday as a counselor. There is your evidence you requested."

You make my point by missing the point. I did not request evidence from anyone. I pointed out that Jones made an argument dependent on evidence that he did not provide. His syllogism was thereby flawed. Someone else stepping in to complete his argument does not change the fact that he did not do what he claims philosophy teaches others to do.

Your failing to see this makes my point.

I took 12 graduate hours of philosophy myself, but I do not think the world will be at a great loss because UNLV--and most other schools for that matter--don't have a department.

— posted 04/06/2011 at 17:49 by David
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The difference between and argument and evidence.
This isn't very complicated.

An argument:"Nikki thinks that David does not know what an argument is and will therefore argue that his comments should be ignored."

Evidence: David seems to think that in order for an argument to be valid you must site what he considers to be evidence, even if the examples Todd has given would be considered as evidence by most people.

I simply gave you what you asked for, I never argued that Todd was somehow flawed in his reasoning or his construction of an argument.
— posted 04/06/2011 at 20:40 by Nicole Troiano
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David,

What would count as evidence that philosophy provides better diagnoses, laws, etc.? And it seems that you are just flatly disagreeing with his assertion rather than actually giving a counter-argument.

His argument seems to be something along these lines: philosophy assists one in reasoning better, many skills require us to reason well, philosophy assists in these skills.

With which part of this syllogism do you disagree? It strikes me that you are disagreeing with the conclusion, while saying nothing about the premises.
— posted 04/07/2011 at 00:02 by Chris
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On the Value of Philosophy vs. the Academy
I get into the subject indepth here, for anyone interested in understanding what's most relevant to the problem involved:

http://ultimatephilosopher.blogspot.com/2011/04/testing-rands-theory-of-culture.html

Cheers!
— posted 04/07/2011 at 00:25 by The Ultimate Philosopher
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What is Important
Really, I do sympathize with your situation.

You say we don't have enough money for all the teachers, therefore we need more money. Well, maybe. Or maybe we need fewer teachers. Or, maybe we need to pay the teachers we have less. Or maybe we need to make the system more efficient.

But Joe Hill's solution has given us the Milwaukee school system, where the *average* compensation is $105k/year. And now you can't swing a cat in Wisconsin without hitting an aggrieved member of the teachers union. "You pay us this pittance and expect us to work the entire nine months, and not demand more? And now you hit us with cats?"

No. What they're doing in Wisconsin is telling the teachers that enough is enough. "Let's see if you can scrape by on that mere $105k shall we? Otherwise we'll have to lay some of you off in a manner that your union allows."

And this tax-the-rich solution is a pipe dream. There aren't enough rich people. The government gets the bulk of its revenue from the middle or upper-middle class, simply because there are so stinking many of us. Sure, most of us aren't philosophers, but many of us still work in professions where you can lose a finger or worse; where a backache is expected; and where an *average* pay of 105k wouldn't be frowned upon.

You think philosophy is hard, try repairing heavy equipment.

But still, I wish you luck. We know about losing jobs way down here as well, and I sympathize.
— posted 04/07/2011 at 02:23 by lumberjack
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Hear, hear
I support the continuation of philosophy in Nevada universities if only because the state clearly is at risk from the right-wing religious nutballs known as the tea party, and the philosophically trained tend to be atheists or, if they are religious, have a more ecumenical perspective on faith. We need the light of reason shining upon the darkness of zealotry—especially in the home of Las Vegas, lest the teabaggers turn the Bellagio into a bible camp.
— posted 04/07/2011 at 13:39 by Larry
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Ignorance United
I wonder how many of you attacking higher education have actually had any? It seems to me that you appear to know a lot without having ever learned anything.

Ruby
— posted 04/07/2011 at 19:55 by Leah J. Wilds
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no philosophy dept. does not mean no philosophy classes
It is one thing to argue to do away with a department such as Philosophy, firing all the philosophy faculty; and. on the other hand to merge departments into multi-discipline departments that may have philosophy faculty teaching philosophy courses. Such a department might have fewer philosophy faculty teaching, but it would not necessarily mean that NO philosophy courses would be taught. It is unclear to me at this point whether it is the former that will come about if the State of Nevada legislature goes through with its proposed ill conceived budget for higher education.
— posted 04/07/2011 at 21:13 by Geoffrey Frasz
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No Philosophy Dept DOES mean no philosophy classes
When we sweep away all learning in favor of the budget cutting paradigm that seems to hold sway in Nevada, then no Philosophy Professor will ever want to make the long term commitment to come here when it is clear that the state has no commitment to higher education, or to education for that matter. Everyone acts as if the ONLY possible solution to the crisis is to cut, cut, and cut some more. YET...no one has even remotely considered raising the aforementioned taxes even minutely. It was a Republican by the name of Oliver Wendell Holmes who suggested that Taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilized society. Imagine what he would think of the Republican Party of today who believe that we can somehow still obtain the same level of government services for nothing. Some things cost money. The value of the academy lies in creating a more humane society. We become this way through the cultivation of our mind. We cultivate our mind through algebra, and other forms of mathematics. BUT we also cultivate our mind through the study of History, Philosophy, Music, Art, English Literature, etc. Not to mention that our friends in Mathematics study something called symbolic logic which is housed in the philosophy department.
— posted 04/07/2011 at 23:09 by Dr. Robert L. Jones
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"And this tax-the-rich solution is a pipe dream. There aren't enough rich people. The government gets the bulk of its revenue from the middle or upper-middle class, simply because there are so stinking many of us."

About one half of all income earned in the United States is earned by households making over 100 grand/year. About 30% of all income in the US is earned by households over 150 grand/year. About 18% of all income in the US is earned by those making over 200 grand/year. Source:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/cpstables/032010/hhinc/new06_000.htm

If as you say most federal income tax revenue comes from the middle class (which would be households around the median income of about 50-60 grand/year) or maybe the upper middle class (maybe up to the 80th percentile of income say which is about everyone making less than 100grand/year) then that actually seems like an argument to tax the rich more since the middle class and lower class together make less than half of all the income in the country.

Of course, you're wrong. In fact the top 25% of earners (ie. the pretty well off) in the country pay about 87% of the income tax. (Source: http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=133521,00.html). In fact the top 5% (rich by any definition) pay over half the income tax and the ultra-rich (top 0.1%) pay 20% of the total income tax. Some people think that's unfair (I don't) but them's the facts.
— posted 04/08/2011 at 16:41 by Sean
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Stoa alternative?
Prof. Jones,
Could you create your own philosophical academy along the lines of the ancient ones, entirely independent of present day Academia and politics?
You and your students could meet in a latter day equivalent of the Stoa, supported by some modest philanthropic funding and student fees. It should be right next to UNLV, but if that isn't feasible, I'm still in.
Feel free to contact me.
Bob
— posted 04/10/2011 at 17:57 by Bob
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First they came for the philosophy professors . . . .
— posted 04/10/2011 at 18:14 by Tom in Houston
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This is why I stay in New England
These comments show that people like me with advanced degrees and lots of professional experience have little incentive to move to places like Nevada.

Killing departments and gutting social programs of course have short term impacts. These impacts conveniently mesh with political cycles. Long term, however, it serves to insulate and prevent the state from recruiting the creative and entrepreneurial classes. Microsoft, Google, Fidelity, etc., thrive because they have a pool of intelligent, resourceful, talented populations.

Cutting services consolidates power into the hands of the few. Thus, what is the future of Nevada? Know one knows, nor, apparently, cares.
— posted 04/10/2011 at 18:56 by michael cote
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Philosophy Is To Reasoning What Arithmetic Is To Counting!
"You....give no evidence that the study of philosophy has led to any of these results--and yet you tell us that philosophy teaches us how to weigh evidence and make arguments."

Do you need evidence for the claim that arithmetic improves counting skills or that geometry improves recognition of shapes or that logic improves deductive reasoning?

In its very nature, philosophy involves the construction and analysis of arguments. The analysis of arguments involves the identification and assessment of premises and conclusion, assumptions and implications, in terms of standards of reasoning such as clarity, relevance, accuracy, etc.

Isn't it fairly obvious that if this is what philosophy involves, then those seriously and consistently participating in its constitutive intellectual processes and skills will only develop, improve, or enhance those intellectual processes and skills?
— posted 04/10/2011 at 20:35 by ThillRaghu
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Vegas casinos rely on uneducated workers
"... and then what will have in Nevada? A third-world economy based only on tourism and mineral extraction, with a poorly educated workforce that has no skills, thats what." Ummmm... that's kind of what we've got now. People who manage to get an education tend to get out of town as fast as possible.
Killing off the schools works in the casinos' favor, insuring an uneducated/unskilled population to pull from.
— posted 04/11/2011 at 00:14 by Karl Stewart
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The Usefulness of the Academy
In its present form, I'd say it's pretty limited, given the pathological lack of capitalistic memes personality traits among the wordsmith intellectuals. Check out Nozick on why the intellectuals oppose capitalism, or Ayn Rand's skewering of the intellectual class in her fiction and non-fiction essays, or you can google up my blog for analyses of the academy.
— posted 04/11/2011 at 00:30 by The Ultimate Philosopher
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Good Riddance.

Had to laugh at this:

"Clearly, then, studying philosophy can help people in almost any area of endeavor."

What an incredibly deluded jerk.

— posted 04/11/2011 at 03:34 by Harvey
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Enemies of Socrates
It's funny that Professor Jones ends his article with sarcastic alternative career choices. I have an undergraduate degree in philosophy from a private liberals arts college and I actually DO work at a major amusement park entertaining guests. Last year I made 34K in cash and I don't pay taxes. Ask me why! Does he really believe that his teaching courses in epistemology in a public university is helping citizens of our country make well informed decisions? Pretty please say yes. Does he really sit up worrying how the closure of his department will affect his neighbor, or does he worry about how it will affect his immediate family, his wife and children? Dude is crazy. He's basically an enemy of Socrates; yet he pledges allegiance. That's a norm of philosophers on the market, though. Socrates supported himself through manuel labor. His opinion he gave away for free. Get a real job you bum. Or else go private. Oh and by the way, didn't Socrates wave his crying wife away while drinking hemlock?
— posted 04/11/2011 at 03:41 by Dr. Jay See
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For those who want empirical evidence of philosophy's real world utility, one measure is that philosophy majors post among the very top scores for the GRE, LSAT, MCAT, and GMAT exams:

http://philosophy.byu.edu/grad/

(To avoid posting lots of links, I've linked to the BYU philosophy department website, where this data is collated. There you can find links to the relevant studies, which you can click to if you're interested and/or skeptical.)

Philosophy majors' earnings data can be found here:

http://www.payscale.com/2008-best-colleges/degrees.asp

(Note that philosophy majors earn more than graduates from any other of the humanistic majors.)

I suppose a dyed-in-the-wool philosophy hater might counter that these studies show correlations only; causality is hidden from view. But this is the same data that's used to argue for the utility of *any* given major (economics, finance, math, English, etc.). And anyways, one person's affirming the consequent is another person's inference to the best explanation. I'd say philosophy trains minds just fine.
— posted 04/11/2011 at 17:06 by Matt
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Philosopher, but you are trying to convince us with your starving children? You are appealing to people for charity instead of offering them arguments, why should they give a portion of their money to you?

I know, everyone invokes that argument, when his job is on the line. But I think philosophers should do better.
— posted 04/11/2011 at 19:06 by Andrej
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its not taxes, its spending
Jones is right, to my mind about the importance of philosophy. But he is wrong when he suggests that taxes should be raised to pay for it.

The problem with higher education today is not the salaries of professors, it is the infrastructure. Universities are on a constant building binge. Students expect new or renovated dorms, 24-hour computer labs and libraries, easy parking, coffee shops and food courts, all with wifi. This isn't cheap, and this is where 'all the money goes.'

I would be willing to bet that UNLV and UNR could save more money by putting off some of these than by firing professors. But they won't and can't because students expect to live like the Sun King at Versaille when they go to college, and will complain en mass. Getting rid of philosophy, on the other hand... they won't mind as long as they can hit up facebook in class.
— posted 04/11/2011 at 22:01 by Brian
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Studying Philosophy at UNLV was one of the most important experiences of my life, due in most part the efforts of Dr. Jones and his staff there.

Now much like many of my former classmates, we are small business owners, lawyers, and contributing members of the Las Vegas community. The philosophy department here is one of the finest departments at the university, and we have dozens of alumni that are enriching the city because of it.

I understand however cuts need to be made, and I'm sure there is plenty of waste occurring in the university in various places. We should look TO the philosophers to answer these questions, not dismiss them for being trivial. If more answers could come from people trained to reason logically, we might not have such a big mess on our hands.

Thank you Dr. Jones, for fighting not only for your department, but for the future students that deserve an opportunity to get an education, and not just vocational training.

— posted 04/15/2011 at 21:10 by Jennifer C.
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Philosophy is not the issue
Browsing on the net, I read with a lot of interest this article and the discussion. Here in France, we have to face with such issue. I'm 53 old, telecom engineer but due to lay off, I'm becoming now a beekeeper. I'm pleased with my new job BUT from a community point of view, I see more and more highly educated people having no perspective, specially young people. This is a worldwide trend: high education is not a way to have a good job, but with no education, your future will be worse. Now, we have to reinvent a new way of living that's the most urgent matter. In France, we have a very powerfull sentence: "Culture is what remains when one has forgotten everything"
— posted 04/17/2011 at 07:06 by Bernard A. B.
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Alarming zeitgeist
That's the best example of the zeitgeist of our new century.
— posted 04/20/2011 at 12:01 by Tiago Pavan
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if logic has value outside of philosophy, people who TEACH THINGS other than philosophy will have the ability to teach logic.

if logic does not have value outside of philosophy, the appeal to the value of "logic" is an argument for teaching philosophy, is absurd.

A or not A, tautology. your argument is invalid QED. this proof brought to you by a mathematician.
— posted 05/30/2011 at 06:22 by misanthropope
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assoc prof
I adore Philosophy. While it was not my major, I took enough courses in it to qualify for a degree, simply because I loved it so much. I think it's supremely valuable as a discipline.

That said, this is the WORST articulation for keeping a Philosophy Dept I can imagine. In fact, after reading it, I was more sympathetic to cutting the program than saving it.

Partly, this was because of the author's cloying use of pathos. Partly it was the arrogance of comparing his problem (and significance) to Socrates'. Too, the desire to hike taxes lest he should join those who can't make their mortgage payments? Who does he think he's taxing? I know, the rich. So the philosopher has the same easy answer to the crisis as any public union janitor.

Moreover, the way he recurrently implies that the other disciplines need his department isn't persuasive at all. Certainly other departments incorporate philosophy into their own work--they don't need it outsourced.

There seems to be zero sense at all here of why philosophy might be an end in itself. Sad.

Finally, many people who aren't on the left simply don't WANT the academy creating "good citizens," since the academy doesn't share their values. Mock them all you like, but there's nothing whatsoever here for them, and petulantly declaring them to be too stupid to matter is hardly likely to save Philosophy.

What a disappointment!

— posted 06/02/2011 at 12:38 by charles martel
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full prof
This is just part of the long term trajectory for our nation. Public universities like UNLV are rapidly becoming vocational schools (and I don't state that as a pejorative). American higher education today graduates more students with leisure studies/physical education degrees every year than all of the humanities combined. At my state university, more students graduated with criminal justice degrees last month than all of the sciences and math combined. Business is the top undergraduate major nationwide. The liberal arts are retreating back to where they came from...the elite private universities. These institutions will continue to breed the future leaders (gotta take philosophy to know how to control the rabble). The rest will be trained by public vocational schools like UNLV to do the real work. This is the future for every public state university system, not just Nevada.
— posted 06/02/2011 at 19:17 by Jack
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God how I love philosophical fights!
What fun in the middle of such a tragedy! Nothing is more fun to this artist than a good philosophical debate. As an artist, we always get cut first, but this is just more evidence of the dumbing down of American education. It is very very sad. The real tragedy is that if you aren't smart enough or rich enough, a dumbed down liberal arts degree is a worse bet for employment than going to a tech. school to learn to fix air conditioners. I pity kids now because a lot of them are locked out of many opportunities because they can't go to an Ivy League school. When they chop off the philosophy department, it ought to be imperative to make them change the name of the school, because there is no liberal or arts, in fact without philosophy, art and music appreciation. You don't need them to live, but you really need them to live well.
— posted 06/24/2011 at 06:01 by Tess Elliott
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Not a matter of utility, but values
I agree with the author's claims to the importance of philosophy, but following the subsequent discussion, I object that philosophy should justify itself on the grounds of utility.

One cannot measure and quantify everything worthwhile. This is phony social science. And support for philosophy and humanities is a question of values. We can easily fund such education if we want to. But as things are, it seems that we only value the things that sell, and nothing that doesn't.

Philosophers and critical thinkers should confront such a system of evaluation, and not accept the context that presumes all value is rooted in demonstrable utility.

Wu Tang Forever.
— posted 06/29/2011 at 21:04 by PJ
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Philosophy might very well assist one in better reasoning, but that does not justify the existence of philosophy departments.

The question that needs to be asked is what is it about a philosophy education that allows for better reasoning skills? It certainly is not the historical study of philosophy or the incredibly boring exegetical work done on dead philosophers.

I don't deny that an education in philosophy makes for better reasoning skills, but my thought is that whatever value philosophy has is not local to philosophy departments. You don't need someone studying the history of ancient philosophy at a university to teach students critical thinking skills. You could just as easily offer classes in logic in math departments and offer classes in the assessment of evidence in each department in which students are studying.

So, I am not denying that philosophy can assist in reasoning skills. I just think the condescending philosophers who try to justify their jobs by saying "we teach critical thinking skills" are less interested in teaching those reasoning skills than keeping their own job, because they have no other marketable skills. Because the fact of the matter is, it just takes a little imagination to think of new ways to teach reasoning skills to students without having philosophy departments that hold pointless graduate seminars that have little to do with better reasoning skills, and everything to do with thinking about questions that either do not need answered or have been approached in ways that are so convoluted that no sensible person would think about them in such ways.
— posted 09/04/2011 at 13:40 by fod
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Philosophy
philosophy is the blueprint to reason. The writer of this article takes it home by saying there is alternatives, and those of you who are bad mouthing the writer should think a little clearer, the people teaching us to reason and how to live with good virtue are going away, and not only that a hell of a lot of people are gonna be losing jobs because of this. This seems to be a summary getting to the point of what needs to be said, not a philosophical essay teaching you about epistemology. so you critics of this article try an apply your new found knowledge about this issue to make a difference, instead of going out of your way to say the writer didnt give examples that are on minor details why not try an give some details and insight yourself. be productive not counterproductive
— posted 04/03/2012 at 16:05 by Jerry Seinfeld
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About the Author

Todd Edwin Jones is Chair of the Department of Philosophy at University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and author of What People Believe When They Say That People Believe.

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