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How Markets Crowd Out Morals

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We live in a time when almost anything can be bought and sold. Markets have come to govern our lives as never before. But are there some things that money should not be able to buy? Most people would say yes.

Consider friendship. Suppose you want more friends than you have. Would you try to buy some? Not likely. A moment’s reflection would lead you to realize that it wouldn’t work. A hired friend is not the same as a real one. You could hire people to do some of the things that friends typically do—picking up your mail when you’re out of town, looking after your children in a pinch, or, in the case of a therapist, listening to your woes and offering sympathetic advice. Until recently, you could even bolster your online popularity by hiring some good-looking “friends” for your Facebook page—for $0.99 per friend per month. (The phony-friend Web site was shut down after it emerged that the photos being used, mostly of models, were unauthorized.) Although all of these services can be bought, you can’t actually buy a friend. Somehow, the money that buys the friendship dissolves it, or turns it into something else.

This fairly obvious example offers a clue to the more challenging question that concerns us: Are there some things that money can buy but shouldn’t? Consider a good that can be bought but whose buying and selling is morally controversial—a human kidney, for example. Some people defend markets in organs for transplantation; others find such markets morally objectionable. If it’s wrong to buy a kidney, the problem is not that the money dissolves the good. The kidney will work (assuming a good match) regardless of the monetary payment. So to determine whether kidneys should or shouldn’t be up for sale, we have to engage in a moral inquiry. We have to examine the arguments for and against organ sales and determine which are more persuasive.

FORUM RESPONSES
Richard Sennett When the market is everywhere, we lead a socially impoverished existence.
Matt Welch Because Sandel disagrees with people’s choices, he wants to take those choices away.
Anita L. Allen Financial incentives are improperly used to induce African Americans to embrace “good” behaviors.
Debra Satz Debating the place of the market is less about the value of goods than about inequality.
Herbert Gintis Tolerance, equality, and democracy have only flourished in market societies.
Lew Daly Making money, formerly an exclusive realm of cosmic evil, is now “doing God’s work.”
Samuel Bowles Even market enthusiasts know that society can’t function if people are the amoral, self-interested calculators of blackboard economics.
Elizabeth Anderson The profit motive is corrupting the justice system.
John Tomasi Free markets are a kind of fairness.
Michael J. Sandel replies By keeping markets in their place, we can avoid their corrosive effects.

So it seems, at first glance, that there is a sharp distinction between two kinds of goods: the things (like friends) that money can’t buy, and the things (like kidneys) that money can buy but arguably shouldn’t. But this distinction is less clear than it first appears. If we look more closely, we can glimpse a connection between the obvious cases, in which the monetary exchange spoils the good being bought, and the controversial cases, in which the good survives the selling but is arguably degraded, or corrupted, or diminished as a result. Once we see that connection, we have to ask where markets belong, and where they don’t. And the question of where markets belong is really about how we want to live together. We can’t answer it without thinking about the meaning and purpose of goods and the values that should govern them.


Wedding Toasts and Gifts
Let’s explore some cases intermediate between friendship and kidneys, which will help to elucidate the sorts of values people generally hold about buying and selling. If you can’t buy friendship, what about tokens of friendship or expressions of intimacy or affection?

Consider a social practice closely connected to friendship—a wedding toast to the bride and groom. Traditionally, such toasts are warm, funny, heartfelt expressions of good wishes delivered by the best man, usually the groom’s closest friend. But it’s not easy to compose an elegant wedding speech, so some best men have resorted to buying wedding toasts online.

ThePerfectToast.com is one of the leading Web sites offering ghostwritten wedding speeches. You answer a questionnaire, pay $149, and within three business days receive a professionally written custom toast. Other Web sites, such as InstantWeddingToasts.com, sell standard pre-written wedding speeches for $19.95, including a money-back guarantee.

Suppose, on your wedding day, your best man delivers a heartwarming toast, a speech so moving it brings tears to your eyes. You later learn that he bought it online. Would you care? Would the toast mean less than it did at first, before you knew it was written by a paid professional? For most of us, it probably would.

Although a bought toast might “work” in the sense of achieving its desired effect, that effect might depend on an element of deception. That’s a reason to suspect it’s a corrupt version of the real thing. So a wedding toast is a good that can, in a sense, be bought. But buying and selling it changes its character and diminishes its value.

How about gift giving, another expression of friendship? Unlike wedding speeches, gifts have an unavoidably material aspect. But with some gifts, the monetary aspect is relatively obscure; with others, it is explicit. Recent decades have brought a trend toward the monetization of gifts, another example of the increasing commodification of social life.

From the standpoint of market reasoning, it is almost always better to give cash rather than a gift. If you assume that people generally know their own preferences best, and that the point of giving a gift is to make your friend or loved one happy, then it’s hard to beat a monetary payment. Even if you have exquisite taste, your friend may not like the tie or necklace you pick out. So if you really want to maximize the welfare your gift provides, don’t buy a present; simply give the money you would have spent. Your friend or lover can either spend the cash on the item you would have bought, or, more likely, on something that brings even greater pleasure.

Joel Waldfogel, an economist, has drawn attention to the epidemic of squandered utility associated with holiday gift giving. In Scroogenomics: Why You Shouldn’t Buy Presents for the Holidays (2009), he writes:

The bottom line is that when other people do our shopping, for clothes or music or whatever, it’s pretty unlikely that they’ll choose as well as we would have chosen for ourselves. . . . Relative to how much satisfaction their expenditures could have given us, their choices destroy value.

Applying standard market reasoning, Waldfogel concludes that it would be better, in most cases, to give cash and that there is a 20 percent “value destruction” brought about, nationwide, by holiday gift giving.

If gift giving is a massively wasteful and inefficient activity, why do we persist in it? It isn’t easy to answer this question on the basis of typical economic assumptions. In his widely used economics textbook, Gregory Mankiw tries gamely to do so. He begins by observing that “gift giving is a strange custom” but concedes that it’s generally a bad idea to give your boyfriend or girlfriend cash instead of a birthday present.

But why? Mankiw’s explanation is that gift giving is a mode of “signaling,” an economist’s term for using markets to overcome “information asymmetries.” So, for example, a firm with a good product buys expensive advertising not only to persuade customers directly but also to “signal” to them that it is confident enough in the quality of its product to undertake a costly advertising campaign. In a similar way, Mankiw suggests, gift giving serves a signaling function. A man contemplating a gift for his girlfriend “has private information that the girlfriend would like to know: does he really love her? Choosing a good gift for her is a signal of his love.” Since it takes time and effort to look for a gift, choosing an apt one is a way for him “to convey the private information of his love for her.”

The question of where markets belong is really about how we want to live together.

This is a strangely wooden way to think about lovers and gifts. “Signaling” love is not the same as expressing it. To speak of signaling wrongly assumes that love is a piece of private information that one party reports to the other. If this were the case, then cash would work as well—the higher the payment, the stronger the signal, and the greater (presumably) the love. But love is not only, or mainly, a matter of private information. It is a way of being with and responding to another person. Giving, especially attentive giving, can be an expression of it. On the expressive account, a good gift not only aims to please, in the sense of satisfying the consumer preferences of the recipient. It also engages and connects with the recipient in a way that reflects a certain intimacy.

The reason gift giving is not always an irrational departure from efficient utility maximizing is that gifts aren’t only about utility. Some gifts are expressive of relationships that engage, challenge, and reinterpret our identities. This is because friendship is about more than being useful to one another. It is also about growing in character and self-knowledge in the company of others. To monetize all forms of giving among friends can corrupt friendship by suffusing it with utilitarian norms.

Even economists who view gift giving in utilitarian terms can’t help noticing that cash gifts are the exception, not the rule, especially among peers, spouses, and significant others. For Waldfogel, this is a source of the inefficiency he decries. So what, in his view, motivates people to persist in a habit that produces a massive destruction of value? It’s simply that cash is considered a “tacky gift” that carries a stigma. He does not ask whether people are right or wrong to regard cash gifts as tacky. Instead he treats the stigma as a brute sociological fact of no normative significance apart from its unfortunate tendency to reduce utility.

From the standpoint of economic reasoning, gift cards—a $90 billion industry and the most popular holiday gift request today—are a step in the right direction, though going all the way to cash would be even better.


Bought Honor
Although money can’t buy friendship, it can buy tokens and expressions of friendship—up to a point. As we’ve seen, converting wedding toasts and gifts into commodities doesn’t destroy them altogether. But it does diminish them. The reason it diminishes them is related to the reason that money can’t buy friends: friendship and the social practices that sustain it are constituted by certain norms, attitudes, and virtues. Commodifying these practices displaces these norms—sympathy, generosity, thoughtfulness, attentiveness—and replaces them with market values. In this sense, markets corrupt expressions of friendship.

Honorific goods are vulnerable to corruption in a similar way. A Nobel Prize can’t be bought. Even if one were auctioned off each year, the bought award would not be the same as the real thing. The market exchange would dissolve the good that gives the prize its value.

But what about other forms of honor and recognition? Consider the buying and selling of admission to elite universities. Universities don’t hold auctions for admission, at least not explicitly. Suppose, however, that most of the places were allocated according to merit, but a few were quietly made available for sale. And let’s also suppose that many factors entered into admissions decisions—grades; SAT scores; extracurricular activities; racial, ethnic, and geographical diversity; athletic prowess; legacy status (being the child of an alumnus)—so that it was hard to tell, in any given case, which factors were decisive. Under conditions such as these, universities could sell some places to wealthy donors without undermining the honor that people associate with admission to a top school.

Critics of higher education claim that this scenario comes close to describing what actually goes on at many colleges and universities today. These critics describe legacy preference as a form of affirmative action for the affluent. And they point to cases in which universities have relaxed their admissions standards for less than outstanding applicants whose parents, though not alumni, are wealthy and likely to make a substantial contribution to the school. Defenders of these practices argue that private universities depend heavily on financial contributions from alumni and wealthy donors, and that such contributions enable universities to provide scholarships and financial aid to less affluent students.

A Nobel Prize can’t be bought. The market exchange would dissolve the good that gives the prize its value.

So, unlike the Nobel Prize, college admission is a good that can be bought and sold, provided the buying and selling take place discreetly. The idea of selling admission is open to two objections. One is about fairness; the other is about corruption. The fairness objection says that admitting children of wealthy backgrounds in exchange for a handsome donation to the college fund is unfair to applicants who lacked the good judgment to be born to affluent parents. This objection views a college education as a source of opportunity and access and worries that giving an edge to children of the wealthy perpetuates social and economic inequality.

The corruption objection is about institutional integrity. This objection points out that higher education not only equips students for remunerative jobs, but that it also embodies certain ideals—the pursuit of truth, the promotion of scholarly and scientific excellence, the advancement of humane teaching and learning, the cultivation of civic virtue. Although all universities need money to pursue their ends, allowing fundraising needs to predominate runs the risk of distorting these ends and corrupting the norms that give universities their reason for being. That the corruption objection is about integrity—the fidelity of an institution to its constitutive ideals—is suggested by the familiar charge of “selling out.”


Two Objections to Markets
These two kinds of arguments reverberate through debates about what money should and should not buy. The fairness objection asks about the inequality that market choices may reflect; the corruption objection asks about the attitudes and norms that market relations may damage or dissolve.

It’s worth taking a moment to clarify these two arguments for the moral limits of markets. The fairness objection points to the injustice that can arise when people buy and sell things under conditions of inequality or dire economic necessity. According to this objection, market exchanges are not always as voluntary as market enthusiasts suggest. A peasant may agree to sell his kidney or cornea to feed his starving family, but his agreement may not really be voluntary. He may be unfairly coerced, in effect, by the necessities of his situation.

The corruption objection is different. It points to the degrading effect of market valuation and exchange on certain goods and practices. According to this objection, certain moral and civic goods are diminished or corrupted if bought and sold. The argument cannot be met by establishing fair bargaining conditions. It applies under conditions of equality and inequality alike.

Each objection draws on a different moral ideal. The fairness argument draws on the ideal of consent or, more precisely, the ideal of consent carried out under fair background conditions. Market choices are not free choices if some people are desperately poor or lack the ability to bargain on fair terms. So in order to know whether a market choice is a free choice, we have to ask what inequalities in the background conditions of society undermine meaningful consent.

The fairness argument is important, but my focus is on the corruption argument, which appeals not to consent but to the moral importance of the goods at stake, the ones said to be degraded by market valuation and exchange. So to decide whether college admission should be bought and sold, we have to debate the moral and civic goods that colleges should pursue and ask whether selling admission would damage those goods. To decide whether to establish a market in babies up for adoption, we need to ask what norms should govern the parent-child relationship and whether buying and selling children would undermine those norms.

The core insight of the corruption argument is that markets are not mere mechanisms; they embody certain values. And sometimes market values crowd out non-market norms worth caring about.


Crowding Out Non-Market Norms
How exactly does this crowding out take place? How do market values corrupt, dissolve, or displace non-market norms? Standard economic reasoning assumes that commodifying a good—putting it up for sale—does not alter its character. Market exchanges increase economic efficiency without changing the goods themselves. That is why economists are generally sympathetic to using financial incentives to elicit desirable behavior, such as paying students to get good grades. Market exchanges make both parties better off without making anyone else worse off.

But this assumption is open to doubt. As markets reach into spheres of life traditionally governed by non-market norms, the notion that markets don’t touch or taint the goods they exchange becomes increasingly implausible. A growing body of research confirms what common sense suggests: financial incentives and other market mechanisms can backfire by crowding out non-market norms. Sometimes offering payment for a certain behavior gets you less of it, not more.

Consider efforts to persuade a community to accept a nuclear waste site. For years, Switzerland had been trying to find a place to store its radioactive waste. Although the country relied heavily on nuclear energy, few communities wanted nuclear waste to reside in their midst. One location designated as a potential site was the small mountain village of Wolfenschiessen (population 2,100). In 1993, shortly before a referendum on the issue, economists surveyed the residents of the village, asking whether they would vote to accept a nuclear waste repository in their community if the Swiss parliament decided to build it there. Although the facility was widely viewed as an undesirable addition to the neighborhood, a slim majority (51 percent) of residents said they would accept it. Apparently their sense of civic duty outweighed their concern about the risks. Then the economists added a sweetener: suppose parliament proposed building the nuclear waste facility in your community and offered to compensate each resident with an annual monetary payment. Then would you favor it?

Offering payment for a certain behavior may get you less of it, not more.

The result: support dropped to 25 percent. What’s more, upping the ante didn’t help. When the economists increased the monetary offer, the result was unchanged. The residents stood firm even when offered yearly cash payments as high as $8,700 per person, well in excess of the median monthly income.

So what was going on in the Swiss village? Standard economic analysis suggests that offering people money to accept a burden would increase, not decrease their willingness to do so. But Bruno S. Frey and Felix Oberholzer-Gee, the economists who led the study, point out that the price effect is sometimes confounded by moral considerations. For many villagers, willingness to accept the nuclear waste site reflected public spirit—a recognition that the country as a whole depended on nuclear energy and that the waste had to be stored somewhere. If their community was found to be the safest storage site, they were willing to bear the burden. Against the background of this civic commitment, the offer of cash felt to residents like an effort to buy their votes. In fact 83 percent of those who rejected the monetary proposal explained their opposition by saying they could not be bribed.

The case of nuclear waste siting demonstrates the way introducing money into a non-market setting can change people’s attitudes and crowd out moral and civic commitments. Why worry about the tendency of markets to crowd out non-market norms? For two reasons: one economic, the other ethical.

From an economic point of view, social norms such as civic virtue and public-spiritedness are great bargains.

But moral and civic norms can also have intrinsic value. Relying solely on cash payments to induce residents to accept a nuclear waste facility is not only expensive; it is also corrupting. It bypasses persuasion and the kind of consent that arises from deliberating about the risks the facility poses and the larger community’s need for it.


Blood for Sale
Perhaps the best-known illustration of markets crowding out non-market norms is a classic study of blood donation by the British sociologist Richard Titmuss. In his 1970 book The Gift Relationship, Titmuss compared the system of blood collection used in the United Kingdom, where all blood for transfusion is given by unpaid volunteer donors, and the system in the United States, where some blood is donated and some bought by commercial blood banks, typically from the poor. Titmuss argued in favor of the U.K. system and against treating human blood as a commodity to be bought and sold on the market.

Titmuss presented a wealth of data showing that, in economic and practical terms alone, the British blood collection system works better than the American one. Despite the supposed efficiency of markets, he argued, the American system leads to chronic shortages, wasted blood, higher costs, and a greater risk of contamination.

The “commercialization of blood and donor relationships represses the expression of altruism,” he concluded, and “erodes the sense of community.”

Responding to Titmuss’s book, Kenneth Arrow, one of the most distinguished American economists of his time, invoked two key tenets of the market faith—two assumptions about human nature and moral life that economists often assert but rarely defend. The first is that commercializing an activity doesn’t change it.

The second is that ethical behavior is a commodity that needs to be economized. The idea is that we should not rely too heavily on altruism, generosity, solidarity, or civic duty, because these moral sentiments are scarce resources that are depleted with use. Markets, which rely on self-interest, spare us from using up the limited supply of virtue. So, for example, if we rely on the generosity of the public for the supply of blood, there will be less generosity left over for other social or charitable purposes. If, however, we use the price system to generate the blood supply, people’s altruistic impulses will be available, undiminished, when we really need them. “Like many economists,” Arrow wrote:

I do not want to rely too heavily on substituting ethics for self-interest. I think it best on the whole that the requirement of ethical behavior be confined to those circumstances where the price system breaks down. . . . We do not wish to use up recklessly the scarce resources of altruistic motivation.

It is easy to see how this economistic conception of virtue, if true, provides yet further grounds for extending markets into every sphere of life, including those traditionally governed by non-market values. If the supply of altruism, generosity, and civic virtue is fixed, like the supply of fossil fuels, then we should try to conserve it. The more we use, the less we have. On this assumption, relying more on markets and less on morals is a way of preserving a scarce resource.

But to those not steeped in economics, this way of thinking about the generous virtues is strange, even far-fetched. It ignores the possibility that our capacity for love and benevolence is not depleted with use but enlarged with practice. Think of a loving couple. If, over a lifetime, they asked little of one another, in hopes of hoarding their love, how well would they fare? Wouldn’t their love deepen rather than diminish the more they called upon it? Would they do better to treat one another in more calculating fashion, to conserve their love for the times they really needed it?

Similar questions can be asked about social solidarity and civic virtue. Should we try to conserve civic virtue by telling citizens to go shopping until their country needs to call upon them to sacrifice for the common good? Or do civic virtue and public spirit atrophy with disuse? Many moralists have taken the second view. Aristotle taught that virtue is something we cultivate with practice: “We become just by doing just acts, temperate by doing temperate acts, brave by doing brave acts.”

Treating virtue as a commodity ignores the possibility that our capacity for love and benevolence is enlarged with practice.

In 2003 the economist Lawrence Summers, then the president of Harvard University, was invited to offer the morning prayer in Harvard’s Memorial Church. He chose as his theme what “economics can contribute to thinking about moral questions.” Economics, he stated, “is too rarely appreciated for its moral as well as practical significance.”

Summers observed that economists place “great emphasis on respect for individuals—and the needs, tastes, choices, and judgment they make for themselves.” He then offered a standard utilitarian account of the common good as the sum of people’s subjective preferences: “It is the basis of much economic analysis that the good is an aggregation of many individuals’ assessments of their own well-being, and not something that can be assessed” apart from these preferences, on the basis of an independent moral theory.

He illustrated this approach by challenging students who had advocated a boycott of goods produced by sweatshop labor: “There is surely some moral force to the concern that as long as the workers are voluntarily employed, they have chosen to work because they are working to their best alternative,” Summers argued.

He concluded with a reply to those who criticize markets for relying on selfishness and greed:

We all have only so much altruism in us. Economists like me think of altruism as a valuable and rare good that needs conserving. Far better to conserve it by designing a system in which people’s wants will be satisfied by individuals being selfish, and saving that altruism for our families, our friends, and the many social problems in this world that markets cannot solve.

Notice that Summers’s version of virtue as a commodity is even starker than Arrow’s. Reckless expenditures of altruism in social and economic life not only deplete the supply available for other public purposes; they even reduce the amount we have left for our families and friends.

This economistic view of virtue fuels the faith in markets and propels their reach into places they don’t belong. But the metaphor is misleading. Altruism, generosity, solidarity, and civic spirit are not like commodities that are depleted with use. They are more like muscles that grow stronger with exercise. One of the defects of a market-driven society is that it lets these virtues languish. To renew our public life we need to exercise them more strenuously.


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Comments

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Re: The Welch Response
Matt Welch's response raises a very interesting question.

If you believe organ sales should be illegal, are you willing to say that to the face of someone dying from kidney failure? Are you willing to tell them that your moral outrage means they shouldn't be able to buy a kidney if a seller is willing?
— posted 05/21/2012 at 17:10 by Jim
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Dr.
Welch's response, and Jim's follow-up, strike me as missing the point (as well as being rather petulant in tone).

First, Sandel never argued that our "moral outrage" is what underwrites the state's interest in forbidding markets in certain kinds of goods. Sandel suggests that certain kinds of markets have a corrupting influence on the goods, and on the people involved in the transactions. In addition, he notes that problems of fairness arise in many of these cases (a concern that Satz develops more fully).

Second, Sandel cites some evidence that markets in certain kinds of goods can in fact reduce the availability of those goods. Whether this would be the case with kidney donations / sales is an empirical question. So far, little has been done to encourage non-related living donations (to be undertaken without monetary gain); so we have no idea whether this could be effective.

Third, while I might be uncomfortable telling someone who needed one that they couldn't buy a kidney from a willing seller, I would be even more uncomfortable telling a poor patient that they had no chance of getting a kidney, because the well-off had bought them all. And I would be very uncomfortable indeed if it turned out (as it surely would) that the poor, and especially the poor in developing nations, became the primary source for kidneys for the rich, but were unable to afford them themselves when they needed to purchase one.

— posted 05/21/2012 at 21:06 by Jonathan Kaplan
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Welch's misinformation
Matt Welch's response shows the ignorance that always seems to pervade this argument.

1/3 of the kidney wait list is inactive, meaning the candidates in question couldn't have a transplant even if an organ became available. (Delmonico 2008)

52% of the deaths on the wait list are inactives, rendering the official, public numbers erroneous (ibid). An OPTN committee mtg in 2009 discussed this issue, agreed it 'mislead the public' but decided to keep in the inflated statistics anyway.


Welch, like so many people, seems to think a kidney is a pint of blood. It is not.

- 4.4 LKDs die each yr in the US within 12 months of surgery (via OPTN)

- 20% experience complications, some of which are life-long and painful

- 20-30% of living donors suffer from depression, anxiety, and PTSD.


More to the point, EVERY study from ALL countries with legal or illegal kidney sales has concluded the paradigm to be highly detrimental to the person relinquishing the kidney. They experience more health problems, greater financial difficulties, increased psychosocial woes, and a general decreased quality of life. (http://livingdonorsarepeopletoo.com/kidney-markets-epic-fail/)

Proponents of 'incentives' or whatever euphamism they'd like to use in place of 'payment', like to argue that such a thing is possible under strict government regulation. However, the govt has been overseeing the US transplant system for nearly 60 years, since the first LKD transplant.

- We still have NO national standards of living donor evaluation, selection or treatment in the US.

- And NO comprehensive short or long-term data on living donors' health or well-being.


As the sister of a kidney transplant recipient, I understand the need for donor organs, especially given that transplants are NOT cures, but merely treatments. The vast majority of recipients will need multiple transplants to ensure a normal lifespan. However, as a living kidney donor, and living donor advocate, I find the constant minimization of living donation's risks, and the dehumanization of living donors abhorrent and unethical.

The public should never be regarded as medical supply. Living donors are people too.

www.livingdonor101.com
— posted 05/22/2012 at 15:50 by living donor 101
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The slippery slope
First off, I love this article. Great topic to discuss, and I love a good discussion. With regard to the organ transplant, I side with Jim's comment that if a donor is willing, who are you to butt in and say no b/c of your morals, screw that, you're not on the chopping block.

Now, here's where it gets interesting. I'm in support of organ donor selling b/c it results in the transfer of something 'good,' but this is the slippery slope. What if corporations paid consumers to tattoo their logo somewhere visible? In this instance, I don't believe advertising is 'good,' but it could be argued the other way.

So my concern w/ compensating organ donors is that it doesn't lead to corporations exploiting the financially distressed.
— posted 05/22/2012 at 21:25 by scott rosenefeld
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No sane person expects free men and woman to always do the right thing
Although in free societies the citizenry isn't under some compulsion to be good. But that idea is useless since whoever would try to compel them to be good will also need to be compelled to be good and since such a person or group has political power, the propensity to abuse it is far greater than it is in free markets (where there is plenty of resistance of evil doing). Just like Paul Krugman, Michael Sandel fails to address who is to regulate the regulators, who the regulators are going to escape the force of public choice theory. He wants some kind of deux ex machina which doesn't exist and when human beings try to stand in for him, they are likely to bad fast and furious. Just consider the history of monarchical rule! Nothing promising there. Indeed, Sandel is a ractionary, wishing to take us back to the days of czars and pharaohs who had God whispering the moral guidelines into their ears.
— posted 05/22/2012 at 21:27 by Tibor R. Machan
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Sandel's Market Confusion
Seems like Sandel is laying a lot on the shoulders of markets when it's not clearly deserved.

Sure, if one wants to maximize utility and really doesn't know the person they call "friend" then cash will likely be better than some unwanted tie. The problem here isn't markets or even market reasoning it's a lack of intimacy in the relationship.

A number of factors will undoubtedly contribute to the lack of intimacy and markets will have some part -- much smaller than suggested. In today's world both the demands on our available time as well as the variety of options for how to spend that time have increased. This is not caused by markets -- markets may have grown along with the underlying cause (Read Adam Smith here) -- advances in technology, growth of wealth and simply population densities are probably better sources if one is looking for proximate causes for the decrease in intimacy in social relationships.
— posted 05/23/2012 at 00:52 by John
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A " gift " is something freely given for nothing in return by a grantor or donor. although a legal definition might be something slightly different like selling for a lower value than the prevailing market price. " Purchase, buying or selling " is a business transaction involving the exchange of 2 tangible or intangible assets for a presumed " equal market value ".

The current kidney transplant donor system is presumed more to be a gift than a business transaction and do not involve " equal market value ".

There is really no " total free market choice " in an exchange of goods of " equal market value ". There is a coercive factor in it. YOu buy a Honda because you cannot afford to buy a Mercedes. You engage in prostitution in a poor country to support a family and so on and so fort. They are all business transactions no different no different from what politicians do in this country.


The admissions system at Harvard and the Ivies is nothing but a business transaction since it involves coercion and an exchange of " of presumed equal market value. ". Legacy preferences, preferences for the chldren of the wealthy and famous, development cases, race preferences, preferences for the chldren of Mankiw and other faculty and administrators. athletic preferences, geographical preferences etc. in Harvard admissions are all business transactions.

Government has no business whatsoever in involving itself in business transactions unless it harms the public ( rhat is why we have the SEC) That is also the reason as to why the Feds have no business giving Harvard a single cent of tax money be it for reseach or student aid.

There goes your research grant Sandel and Mankiw.

— posted 05/23/2012 at 02:54 by biaknabato
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It isn't just moral revulsion. It's recognition that a some will be forced to give up their organs by less than scrupulous individuals either through coercion or force.
— posted 05/23/2012 at 14:07 by Justin
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See videogame industry...
... for what Michael is talking about.

Diablo 3 was just released and 10 or so years ago a game buyer could own the game they bought and play the game offline anywhere they wanted whenever they wanted.

Diablo 3's single player code was taken out and runs on the other side of the internet, introducing the negative aspects of multiplayer gaming (LAG) to singleplayer aspect of the game. The gamelogic is actually on the servers and the game by itself cannot run without those servers, which is not included with the game.

So when customers pay their $60 they never actually own the game, even though they paid for it.

It's deeply unfair and downright unethical. The marketing campaign and spin has come out full force to convince people 'it's a good thing' but it isn't.

Most people who bought the game couldn't play it on launch day, where as with Diablo 1 and 2 you could play both games on launch day without any interruption because the singleplayer gamecode wasn't taken hostage and forced to be run over the internet.

So the game is defective by design all so Activision can gain control over what customers do and don't do with software they paid for. It's disgusting and anyone who supports it is a tyrant. It's anti-freedom it infringes on buyers right to own property they paid for. So it infringes on customers property rights to own what they buy.

It's an end run around customer property rights, period.
— posted 05/24/2012 at 14:57 by BOB
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tu quoque
How seriously should we take Mr Sandel's analysis of the corrupting influence of the market? Seriously enough to apply to the "Anne T. and Robert M. Bass Professor of Government" himself? From the above I quote,

"The corruption objection is about institutional integrity. This objection points out that higher education not only equips students for remunerative jobs, but that it also embodies certain ideals—the pursuit of truth, the promotion of scholarly and scientific excellence, the advancement of humane teaching and learning, the cultivation of civic virtue. Although all universities need money to pursue their ends, allowing fundraising needs to predominate runs the risk of distorting these ends and corrupting the norms that give universities their reason for being. That the corruption objection is about integrity—the fidelity of an institution to its constitutive ideals—is suggested by the familiar charge of 'selling out'."

Here is what Mr Sandel said when he sold out to a hedge-fund manager and his wife: "I am honored to be named the first Anne T. and Robert M. Bass Professor," said Sandel. "Named professorships are a vital, tangible link between the University's most devoted supporters and the faculty's research and teaching." (Harvard Gazette October 24, 2002)

What does this ad hominem critique imply? Any or all of the following:

1. Sandel doesn't understand the implications of his own theory (bad philosopher)

2. He's a hypocrite and he knows it (bad ethicist)

3. His corruption theory is not adequate to the complexities of the real world. Thus any applications are prone to being arbitrary and polemical (and also self-serving and dangerous).

I don't think I will be buying his book.
— posted 05/24/2012 at 15:48 by Philosopher's Beard
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The Anti-Federalists made a mockery of Dr. Sandel's argument in the 1780's. Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, and George Mason all shattered the idea that a few men possessed so called civic virtue that allowed them to govern in the best interests of everyone.

The fact is that no individual is disinterested. Thomas Jefferson argued that individual, property owning Americans acting in their own self-interest was the bedrock of our republic.

Sandel wants to replace this with communalism and impossible to define concepts like "Fairness" and "equality" that always mean different things to different people at different times.

The free-market where property owning individuals engage in voluntary exchange without coercion or interference from any third-party is the perfect expression of individual freedom and Sandel attacks the free market. In other words Sandel attacks individual freedom.

Anyone, any group, or any ideology that attacks individual freedom is despicable.

— posted 05/25/2012 at 02:34 by Dave Thomas
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Interesting piece from Sandel, as usual. Very weak replies so far. Tibor R. Machan is a sputtering disgrace these days.

Philosopher's Beard: straw man! Sandel does not claim that every instance of market interaction is corrupting. Reread the piece please.

Dave Thomas: free property owning individuals sounds like a promising goal. How should we start by dividing up the natural riches of the world for all humans to get a fair starting position? For surely, however self-owning you might think yourself, you have no more claim to any piece of natural resources (land, air, water) than any other living human being. Like that child born right now, into starvation in rural India. Any honest libertarianism that takes time to think through fair access to external resources will end up arguing for massive resource redistributions globally.
— posted 05/28/2012 at 21:39 by Joa
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Matt Welch's piece is the kind of text that gives libertarianism a worse reputation than it deserves: extremely self-certain, hostile in tone and failing to engage with the arguments at hand.

The organ concern Welch brings up is genuine and a fair discussion to have. But even a conclusion to accept single buyer economic transactions for kidneys would not rule out more general policies to curb corrosive market processes.

But Welch ignores such arguments. Instead he makes sweeping objections ("Because he disagrees with people’s choices, he wants to take those choices away.") that only come across as dishonest.
— posted 05/28/2012 at 22:16 by joa
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John Tomasi
John Tomasi dictates without argument that what he calls "individual freedom", a category so wide as to include some individuals hoarding economic wealth and systematic benefits compared to others. In short, the "social justice" Tomasi offers is neutered by definition, without argument. In this Tomasi displays the common libertarian failing of filling the hole in the theory concerning access to external resources.

The intuitively more plausible policy in Tomasi's thought experiment is to share the resources and take turns in going by plane and bus. How could Wanda have any complaint against that? She isn't treated unfairly in any way, as she gets to enjoy flying just as her fellow citizens.
— posted 05/28/2012 at 23:01 by joa
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Response to Dave T
I don't think Sandel is arguing that "a few men" with "civic virtue" should be allowed "to govern in the best interests of everyone". On the contrary, here the medium is the message: public discourse -- the forum -- is the site where democratic citizens determine the best interests of the community. Civic virtues, and ethics, are defined through debate.

It is precisely because concepts like "fairness" and "equality" -- or "individual freedom" -- are squishy that we need to clarify them. This exercise, on a mass scale, "governs" a society in that it realigns the community's moral compass. For example, if people collectively decide that it is "unfair" to segregate people on the basis of skin color, the ship of state will typically follow the moral direction pointed out by the people and enact legislation.

The debate here is not about abolishing the market. The debate is "Are there some things that money can buy that it shouldn't?" In other words, should we, as a community, limit how market logic is imposed on civic (broadly defined) relationships? If so, when and on what basis? To what extent are economic models good at producing the society we want to live in?

These questions, and the larger debate in response to the financial crash of 2008, are raised because people, to put it lightly, are not entirely happy with the impact our economic system has had on our society.

Responding to this debate, it is perfectly reasonable to argue that individual property-owners "acting in their own self-interest" produce the best society. Although I'm not entirely sympathetic to this argument, I am willing to listen to its merits and weigh them.

However, to attempt to silence the debate itself with Orwellian rhetorical overtures -- where democratic discourse is preposterously labeled as an attack on individual freedom -- demonstrates a questionable relation to virtues you presumably mean to defend.
— posted 05/28/2012 at 23:39 by Topher Hemann
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http://dustbowlpoetry.wordpress.com
Market thinking corrupts education. Paying teachers to compete only breeds competition.

Money can't touch real literature. But the lack of money can keep new literature from reaching readers.

Sad.
— posted 05/29/2012 at 15:19 by Shelley
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A lot of P.C. verbiage.
I found this article a lot of p.c. verbiage. It was crap. People spend money, give gifts, become bankrupt, become crowded out of the homes they live in with the stuff they buy (now called "hoarding") because this form of communication or self-communication is one of the few forms of expression open for them. In our age of 24/7 competition and economic uncertainty spending, like eating, has become one of the few elements of "release" in the lives of most people. They are terrified of real time for themselves: the prospect of facing it is too difficult for them. They have not developed a "self" to spend time with. 65% of all undergraduates now major in Business Education, they get useless degrees in business that allow them to think exactly like everyone else does, that is called "marketing." We have no more culture, only marketing. This article never gets to the heart of the problem, it only tries to talk around it. Perry Brass
— posted 06/04/2012 at 15:22 by Perry Brass
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Focusing on the empirical side
While I'm interested in the normative debate that seems to get everyone really riled up, I think it's important to take a step back and focus on something a little less value-laden:

Sandel cites a few bits of evidence from experimental work that suggests that providing monetary incentives can have perverse effects, sometimes actually discouraging the behavior we're intending to promote.

Welch's essay calls for more recent proof of this phenomenon. While I'm sort of put off by the tone of his piece, I do wish Sandel would have cited Uri Gneezy and Aldo Rustichini's work in this area-- both papers "Pay Enough of Don't Pay At All" [QJE 2000] and "A Fine is a Price" [Journal of Legal Studies 2000] are freely available online with a simple google search.

Just to belabor the point a bit, Sandel is tapping into a criticism of economics that's been brewing for quite some time- most neoclassical models in economics start with the firm assumptions that individuals possess stable preference profiles for goods-- these preference profiles determine an individual's willingness to do things like pay for goods, sell their labor, etc.

The problem is that this assumption of unchanging valuations doesn't really hold up empirically. (There are tons and tons and tons of examples of this; if you're interested in this stuff, you should start with Kahneman and Tversky's work from the late seventies-- the field has entirely exploded, really. Dan Ariely's "Predictably Irrational" is also aimed at a pretty general audience, and nicely demonstrates a bunch of the violations. Also, Sunstein and Thaler's book nicely touches on a bunch of the policy applications of this stuff)

So what's the point? I could be wrong here, but it seems like one way to read Sandel is like a scientist-- in some cases, we might worry that providing monetary incentives will actually DECREASE the supply of available goods. It seems like a lot of people area really excited about kidney markets, so let's take that as an example-- A *possible* result is that allowing payment for kidneys would dry up donations.

Now, this isn't the only argument Sandel is making, but I feel like the empirical question (How will people actually act under this condition?) demands argument from existing evidence-- social science is still in its nascence, but let's call on it when it's relevant!
— posted 06/06/2012 at 01:52 by Mark T Patterson
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empirical AND normative
Mark T Patterson: I agree that the issue is partly empirical. But we must also keep in mind that there are purely normative components. I value some non-capitalist relations over capitalist relations because the former can be instances of community in a way that the latter can't. That is not an empirical claim about the long term social effects of market relations. It is a purely normative claim about the morally relevant features of the relation in itself.
— posted 06/06/2012 at 09:03 by adi
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re adi: agreed!
Adi, quite right- quite right!

At the end of the day, all the empirical understanding won't help us at all if we refuse to ask normative questions.

The slight bit I'd add, though, is that the claim "[non-capitalist] relations can be instances of community in a way that [capitalist relations] can't" is itself an empirical one which we can use experimentation to support.

["but this is quite obvious, and requires no more support", you may scoff!]

TO me, (and I suspect to many of the naysayers of market regulation), we'd want to know exactly which tradeoffs are at stake. When we talk about a 'qualitatively different sort of community', are we talking about civic participation (something that might be measurable by voter turn out), rates of crime, individuals' attitudes perceptions of identity (measurable by survey), and what about attitudes toward outsiders? Some forms of community building actually involve negative sentiment toward out-group members-- I don't mean to suggest that non-capitalist relations have this flavor, but it still gets at point-- that we can use experimental evidence to at least clarify what's at stake. To me, the normative judgments must come after we "lay it all out there" as it were.

In part, the question is about just how consequentialist we want to be. I think there's nothing wrong with taking a more Kantian approach to this stuff, but a potential downside to inspection of the morally relevant features is it leaves our assumptions about downstream effects untested. To me, this is a problem because we might have disagreement about values when it comes to morally relevant features (e.g. the liberal: "It's justice that matters!"; the libertarian: "No-- it's (market) freedom that matters!"), at the same time we agree on the desirable downstream effects (e.g. wanting the health and well-being of our citizenry).

Maybe I'm jaded, but I feel like it's easier to make progress by working to make sure we're on the same page about how the downstream effects will work (this isn't always an easy question), because we've got a good means of assessing the different arguments-- to me, the disagreements at the level of morally relevant features lack criteria by which we can settle debate.

— posted 06/06/2012 at 11:17 by Mark T Patterson
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re: Mark
Thanks for the thoughtful reply Mark!

"When we talk about a 'qualitatively different sort of community', are we talking about civic participation (something that might be measurable by voter turn out), rates of crime, individuals' attitudes perceptions of identity (measurable by survey), and what about attitudes toward outsiders?"

Well, we could and should because all those things are surely important. And if we did then I'd agree that we in part need yet more empirical investigations.

But I had in mind community in the sense of a one-to-one relation of two interacting humans. In every capitalist one-to-one relation there is a market factor inherent to the relation itself. For example, if I pay you to be my "friend" we might still have good and fruitful interactions but there will be an inherent tainting factor to the relation itself, one that true friendship would not have. My thoughts here are along the lines of what G.A. Cohen express in his posthumously published book Why not socialism?.

As you point out someone drawn to libertarian thoughts might lack moral intutions on the value of that form of community. But the libertarian and me will likely also have different empirical assumptions. So on both fronts, the empirical and the purely normative, we'd both have to start formulating further arguments using common premises. I do think there is much room for normative argumentation, and much more evidence to uncover on the normative merits and demerits of the competing purely normative positions. More than what most people might think there is. Many who enter moral philosophy with certain firm normative intuitions or values transmitted through familiar socialization come to transform those intuitions and values through the process of philosophical reflection on theories and case based arguments. I don't think it is only new empirical information that drive that transformation, though that also has an important role to play.

And when engaging with fellow egalitarians with overlapping intuitions then I think it can be very fruitful, and strengthening, to cooperate in analytic refinement of the shared purely normative components.
— posted 06/06/2012 at 17:37 by adi
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"No sane person expects free men and women to always do the right thing"
States Tibor . Why not? Is that not the very definition of living a moral and ethical life? If we accept Tibor's statement as fact- we can forget the slippery slope- we have already hit bottom.
— posted 06/06/2012 at 23:10 by Emily Maduro
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Reality
It seems people will analyze and get into the weeds to demonstrate they are equal to or eevn better than an author by dissecting their work. Sandel is superb, he has accomplished exactly what he wants...create discussion on capitalism's premise and how it affects society. We continue to ask what is wrong, why aren't we advancing, where is satisfaction and where is happiness. I believe Sandel answers that question by asking about altruism and fairness. The $$ drives the world in chaos becasue it is continuously being chased and we are never satusfied. Why? What are we looking for? Bigger and bigger, or more and more? When does it stop, if ever? Moderation, fairness, caring, and sacrifice, are the elements of what we seek. Sandel addresses this in a way to challenge the very essence of what it is to be human. Kellerman addresses The End of Leadership because of corruption, selfishness, lack of accountability and responsibility...Sandel does the same thing. I agree with Emily, if we don't expect the best we will never get it.
— posted 06/08/2012 at 13:44 by Ken Morris
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Matt Welch's "critique" in slightly longer form, by Becker
The "argument" presented in Welch's "critique" of Sandel about the need for markets in human organs has been made in slightly longer form already by Gary Becker in 2009, and can be found here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/shortstack/2009/10/nobel_prize-winning_economist.html

What is the problem with that idea? I can but requote the first comment below the article:

"Private sales of organs is a wonderful idea. It ensures that organs will go to the richest people and the poor can die like dogs as they deserve. Also, it will allow middlemen to establish and promote "free (organ) markets" and keep the largest share of sale price of the "donor's" organs for themselves. But most importantly, it will ensure an increased availability of organs for the needy rich as a secondary market will develop in assassinations of healthy poor people for organ supply around the world, reducing pressure on the environment and expanding employment opportunities for currently underemployed assassins. Win, win, win."
— posted 06/08/2012 at 19:56 by Foppe
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How Kantian, and destructive!
This author is making a classic Kantian error: acting in ones own interest is inherently immoral. only altruism can be the basis for certain interactions, not "markets"... But just what is a market? Markets are exchanges of values. People offer things they value, in exchange for things they value more, to others who willingly exchange similarly. Therefore all markets are value exchanges, so a disinterested market is an oxymoron.

There may be some things that, to some, seem silly to buy, like friends or a wedding toast, but to the purchaser, they may be desperately desired (as opposed to loneliness or fear of ruining a friend's special day). When it comes to kidneys, the moral imperative is the highest: survival. Fairness isn't a market concept, so asking someone to risk survival because of it is like asking a surgeon to only make the cut if it will be aesthetically pleasing. The mixing of concepts in this article is shocking, but the usual approach for anti-market thinkers who somehow think people are divided souls who can buy "things" in the market, but "higher goods" are only pure if they are freely given - the operative word being given (cf, altruism)

I think the Swiss waste examples takes the cake, though, in misunsderstanding how people make decisions. Before being offered the bribe, the citizens of the town might have been deciding the risks were worth exchanging some fears for some other values, like patriotism. Once the bribe was added, their assessment of the situation might have shifted: they saw the money as a market signal of perhaps something they weren't being told, such as a higher risk or some deceit. The money *per se* didn't change their support. The potential motive it signaled in the market did. The idea that money somehow changes what people do *is* correct, but only insofar as money is represents a value being offered ( or in this case, an intention not fully disclosed ) and the citizens were smart enough to see thru it.

In any case, the basic premise of this article is simply that money and markets somehow corrupt, pollute or diminish certain kinds of interactions between people, even if freely engaged, because they do not correspond to the Kantian ideal of disinterest. Smith, Hayek and Rand destroyed the moral and economic implications of altruism a century ago. It's amusing to see it still trying to raise its ugly head.
— posted 06/10/2012 at 13:58 by Matthew Ferrara
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Matthew Ferrara, a potentially very charitable interpreter
Matthew Ferrara: you make a straw man interpretation which drains your own objection of merit. Please try again. Sandel simply do not claim that "acting in ones own interest is inherently immoral".

I can imagine how someone in the grips of the false dichotomies presented by the psychopath Ayn Rand might thinks so. But I don't know if that is the explanatory factor in your case.
— posted 06/11/2012 at 15:07 by adi
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The myth of exploitation
I am always amused by people writing about the poor as if they are children or dullards who need to have decisions taken for them.

Bearing in mind that voluntary organ donations are allowed from living people, we already know that there are protocols for making sure that donors are counselled FULLY about the consequences, both definite and potential, prior to donation.

We already know that there is a dying person whose life literally depends on being able to buy an organ - he will die if the sale is forbidden.

Now on what moral basis do we refuse to allow the potential seller to choose to sell his kidney, say? We'd accept it if he donated it!

He might have a child whom he'd like to educate and lift out of the endless cycle of poverty. But some guys like Sandel feel uncomfortable about it, like it's not pure or something. So the one party loses his life, the other loses his dream, so that Sandel's sensibilities aren't offended.

The other arguments against organ sales are rationalisations: people might be murdered and organs stolen, people might be misinformed, and people might be coerced, The first of these is just nonsense - no-one is suggesting that the regime should allow organs to just appear, for the operation to take place. The second is no more of a problem than it is for organ *donation*. The third is a potential problem, but can be mitigated - and in any case, the *possibility* of a crime being committed should not trump the needs of the person who will otherwise *certainly* die.
— posted 06/14/2012 at 21:00 by MGroves
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Is this a religious article? Is letting people have the freedom to make their own decisions so bad? People have values. They can compare costs and benefits. People raised under socialism have no sense of value. They have no prices. They only have allotments. Whats wrong with people making their own decisions? The obsession with ethics has done nothing to improve the human condition.
— posted 07/13/2012 at 01:38 by jorod
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re: Maduro comment (22)
The reason for the statement ("No sane person expects free men and women to always do the right thing")
is the "always" that is in it.

Most people are ethical most of the time. To say that people are ethical always is a utopian fantasy as long as there are people who can't put themselves in another's shoes - and those people exist - they are true psycopaths. If you need examples, think Bernie Madoff, WorldCom executives - or wall-street people that continued to take bonuses for behaviour that ended up bankrupting or otherwise hurting their firm.
You also haven't read of the studies where they gave people points for self-reported exam scores, then paid them for the points. If they paid them for the self-reported answers, most people were honest. If they abstrated to points, then to a payment - when the payouts amounted to the same thing, many were less than honest.

The above study is probably why many CEOs come across as psycopathic and impersonal - when they have to fire people directly, they have problems. Even when they have to talk to people that have had a role in firing or stressing out (Undercover Boss), they are pretty emotional. When people are numbers, they don't have as much of a problem - especially when it is their own pay that is at stake.

An economist that doesn't take pure and unmitigated greed into account will never explain a market bubble.
— posted 07/24/2012 at 17:26 by Ed
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@ Philosophers Beard
To Joa: Philosphers Beard said he is not buying the book, so you can just easily forgive him of his ignorance of what Sandel was saying in his book.I read his book on my recent trip to India and from what i saw around me in India and what is written in that book, i can say Sandel has described reality as he sees it.

As to Welch's comments about the market on kidneys, i guess he should read more about human civilization. Human bodies and its component parts have a lifetime, same as a car manufacturer designs cars for a specific lifetime. If you have a malfunctioning organ, as when you have a radiator problem, you find spare parts for it and replace. However, human parts are yet not available and if we allow the market to determine what human parts can be bought and sold, we are fighting nature. A fight we will never win. We should be mindful about the boundaries the market is allowed to encroach because people like Welch may find a convincing way of developing a market for children.
— posted 08/22/2012 at 02:53 by pedro mungkal
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There is no chance of restoring a moral compass to businesses. In a global economy, those that once had a moral compass have either lost it or have been overwhelmed by those that never had one.

Businesses can always be trusted – to behave like businesses. They are not in the business of putting the greater good ahead of profits. They never create a job unless they expect to make a profit on it, by the most exploitative means they can get away with.

The free market has internal controls on greed and incompetence, but these controls only work over the long term and on global scales. Intense regulation and competent oversight is necessary to mitigate the devastating effects of greed and incompetence on short term, local scales.
— posted 09/22/2012 at 14:45 by Ben Goodman
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Profit
But business goal is not only profit it's much more that profit.
Business is also come under social system.
http://www.thertastore.com
— posted 10/05/2012 at 07:49 by seffy lov
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Does property forfeiture corrupt the criminal justice system?
Elizabeth Anderson says it causes law enforcement organizations to focus on cases where they can sieze goods, but she provides no support for that dubious assertion. She betrays her reality distorting liberal bias by absurdly suggesting that law enforcement deliberately victimizes poor people by targeting drug users and prostitutes (note that she only mentions so-called victimless crimes)for profit. In actuality, property confiscation procedures are applied most often and to beneficial effect for enforcement in RICO cases against organized crime including drug rings and white collar criminals like Bernie Madoff. If there has been a case where property forfeiture served as a corrupting influence on local, state or Federal law enforcement, I believe it would be an exception and one that could be prevented from being repeated by instituting controls.
— posted 11/30/2012 at 16:13 by Pete
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MARKET vs. truth!
MARKET FORCES SUCH AS RATINGS/PROFITS HAVE CORRUPTED THE ETHICS AND MORALS OF THE MEDIA.

I've started the petition "Legislature: STOP MEDIA ABUSE" and need your help to get it off the ground.

Will you take 30 seconds to sign it right now? Here's the link:

http://www.change.org/petitions/legislature-stop-media-abuse

Here's why it's important:


Subject: Walter Cronkite and Media Abuse!

WALTER CRONKITE (like hundreds of other" Investigative" reporters) repeated the harmful false accusations on National TV that implied I was the "HILLSIDE STRANGLER" WITHOUT checking the facts !
Mike Taibbi, (now with NBC News) first broadcast these sensational accusations without verifying them. A couple of phone calls would of proved my jailhouse informer was a liar when he stated "He and I were boyhood friends who grew up together." FACT; I am 10 years older than this pathological liar and never lived in the same city as him! But why ruin a good scoop with the truth?
The Media routinely and casually publish and broadcast unsubstantiated accusations about innocent "suspects" which does irreparable harm to them and their families.
The Police are eager to provide these accusations to TV news to make themselves look good and the networks and newspapers repeat them without investigation to increase ratings and make more $$$.
Everyone benefits except the "DISPOSABLE SUSPECTS" and their families who must endure and suffer irreparable harm to their reputations, careers and lives.
Peoples' lives and privacy should not be entertainment for the consuming masses who watch TV NEWS commercials and read ads .We need a NO-NAME LAW for US, THAT PROTECTS PEOPLES IDENTITIES FROM FALSE ACCUSATIONS IN THE MEDIA BECAUSE; ANYONE CAN ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANYTHING, ANYTIME AND IT SHOULD NOT BE NEWS!
This fair law would prohibit the Police from releasing a "suspect's identity to the Media until such time (if ever) the suspect is legally charged with a crime.
We must stop this unnecessary MEDIA ABUSE of innocent people because if it could happen to me and my family it could happen to you!
Peter Mark Jones


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— posted 01/03/2013 at 04:15 by PM JONES
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A Nobel Prize cannot be bought?
I think it was most obviously: can any reason be assigned to Obama getting it?
— posted 01/30/2013 at 10:28 by Bulbul
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Stability vs. Justice
I am deeply sympathetic with Sandel's main argument but a little less so with his response to the critiques. In his first reply, he correctly recognizes the distinction between moral propriety and legality but kinds of leave it open-ended with regard to the basis and criterion for legal validity if not moral appropriateness. In particular, he uses the example of outsourcing pregnancy, questioning 'what a libertarian would say' if people who find the practice morally objectionable discourage it in a more 'sophisticated' way by 'instructing courts not to enforce surrogacy contracts'. Well, I guess here the 'inaction' of courts is indeed a passive form of active intervention, provided that we entertain the assumption that one of the primary objectives of law is to protect the sanctity of contract that in turn lays out the foundation for free economic transactions.
In his second reply to the 'organ market' critique, Sandel (again without explicit statement of stance) begs us to consider the scenario whereby a wealthy man purchase an organ for collection or display, which depletes the supply and indirectly leads to the death of the dying poor. Most of the people (I included) would definitely find this morally objectionable. However, think about the scandal of food waste. There are people starved to death everyday and yet at the same time tons of food are either wasted or 'unnecessarily' consumed (obesity problem). Should we then ban the trade of food and ask the government (or the United Nation) to ration food resources according to 'legitimate need' not 'means'?
I guess the deep problem here is actually the inherent tension and potential conflict between promoting justice and ensuring stability. While admittedly more than often the two can go hand by hand and actually reinforce each other, but there are also times when achieving one would come necessarily at the expense of the other. In the previous two cases, we may have to forgo the 'supposed' justice (i.e.moral objectionability of outsourcing pregnancy and allowing the wealthy to buy kidney for display purpose) in order to protect the inherent consistency of our legal/market system, which is essential to social order and stability.
— posted 04/04/2013 at 04:11 by Snow
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Michael J. Sandel, Anne T. and Robert M. Bass Professor of Government at Harvard University, is author of What Money Can’t Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets, from which his article is adapted.

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