A San Francisco mural depicting Archbishop Óscar
Romero / Photograph: Franco Folini
Since we often cannot see what is happening before our eyes, it is perhaps not too surprising that what is at a slight distance removed is utterly invisible. We have just witnessed an instructive example: President Obama’s dispatch of 79 commandos into Pakistan on May 1 to carry out what was evidently a planned assassination of the prime suspect in the terrorist atrocities of 9/11, Osama bin Laden. Though the target of the operation, unarmed and with no protection, could easily have been apprehended, he was simply murdered, his body dumped at sea without autopsy. The action was deemed “just and necessary” in the liberal press. There will be no trial, as there was in the case of Nazi criminals—a fact not overlooked by legal authorities abroad who approve of the operation but object to the procedure. As Elaine Scarry reminds us, the prohibition of assassination in international law traces back to a forceful denunciation of the practice by Abraham Lincoln, who condemned the call for assassination as “international outlawry” in 1863, an “outrage,” which “civilized nations” view with “horror” and merits the “sternest retaliation.”
In 1967, writing about the deceit and distortion surrounding the American invasion of Vietnam, I discussed the responsibility of intellectuals, borrowing the phrase from an important essay of Dwight Macdonald’s after World War II. With the tenth anniversary of 9/11 arriving, and widespread approval in the United States of the assassination of the chief suspect, it seems a fitting time to revisit that issue. But before thinking about the responsibility of intellectuals, it is worth clarifying to whom we are referring.
The concept of intellectuals in the modern sense gained prominence with the 1898 “Manifesto of the Intellectuals” produced by the Dreyfusards who, inspired by Emile Zola’s open letter of protest to France’s president, condemned both the framing of French artillery officer Alfred Dreyfus on charges of treason and the subsequent military cover-up. The Dreyfusards’ stance conveys the image of intellectuals as defenders of justice, confronting power with courage and integrity. But they were hardly seen that way at the time. A minority of the educated classes, the Dreyfusards were bitterly condemned in the mainstream of intellectual life, in particular by prominent figures among “the immortals of the strongly anti-Dreyfusard Académie Française,” Steven Lukes writes. To the novelist, politician, and anti-Dreyfusard leader Maurice Barrès, Dreyfusards were “anarchists of the lecture-platform.” To another of these immortals, Ferdinand Brunetière, the very word “intellectual” signified “one of the most ridiculous eccentricities of our time—I mean the pretension of raising writers, scientists, professors and philologists to the rank of supermen,” who dare to “treat our generals as idiots, our social institutions as absurd and our traditions as unhealthy.”
Who then were the intellectuals? The minority inspired by Zola (who was sentenced to jail for libel, and fled the country)? Or the immortals of the academy? The question resonates through the ages, in one or another form, and today offers a framework for determining the “responsibility of intellectuals.” The phrase is ambiguous: does it refer to intellectuals’ moral responsibility as decent human beings in a position to use their privilege and status to advance the causes of freedom, justice, mercy, peace, and other such sentimental concerns? Or does it refer to the role they are expected to play, serving, not derogating, leadership and established institutions?
One answer came during World War I, when prominent intellectuals on all sides lined up enthusiastically in support of their own states.
In their “Manifesto of 93 German Intellectuals,” leading figures in one of the world’s most enlightened states called on the West to “have faith in us! Believe, that we shall carry on this war to the end as a civilized nation, to whom the legacy of a Goethe, a Beethoven, and a Kant, is just as sacred as its own hearths and homes.” Their counterparts on the other side of the intellectual trenches matched them in enthusiasm for the noble cause, but went beyond in self-adulation. In The New Republic they proclaimed, “The effective and decisive work on behalf of the war has been accomplished by . . . a class which must be comprehensively but loosely described as the ‘intellectuals.’” These progressives believed they were ensuring that the United States entered the war “under the influence of a moral verdict reached, after the utmost deliberation by the more thoughtful members of the community.” They were, in fact, the victims of concoctions of the British Ministry of Information, which secretly sought “to direct the thought of most of the world,” but particularly the thought of American progressive intellectuals who might help to whip a pacifist country into war fever.
John Dewey was impressed by the great “psychological and educational lesson” of the war, which proved that human beings—more precisely, “the intelligent men of the community”—can “take hold of human affairs and manage them . . . deliberately and intelligently” to achieve the ends sought, admirable by definition.
Not everyone toed the line so obediently, of course. Notable figures such as Bertrand Russell, Eugene Debs, Rosa Luxemburg, and Karl Liebknecht were, like Zola, sentenced to prison. Debs was punished with particular severity—a ten-year prison term for raising questions about President Wilson’s “war for democracy and human rights.” Wilson refused him amnesty after the war ended, though Harding finally relented. Some, such as Thorstein Veblen, were chastised but treated less harshly; Veblen was fired from his position in the Food Administration after preparing a report showing that the shortage of farm labor could be overcome by ending Wilson’s brutal persecution of labor, specifically the International Workers of the World. Randolph Bourne was dropped by the progressive journals after criticizing the “league of benevolently imperialistic nations” and their exalted endeavors.
The pattern of praise and punishment is a familiar one throughout history: those who line up in the service of the state are typically praised by the general intellectual community, and those who refuse to line up in service of the state are punished. Thus in retrospect Wilson and the progressive intellectuals who offered him their services are greatly honored, but not Debs. Luxemburg and Liebknecht were murdered and have hardly been heroes of the intellectual mainstream. Russell continued to be bitterly condemned until after his death—and in current biographies still is.
Since power tends to prevail, intellectuals who serve their governments are considered the responsible ones.
In the 1970s prominent scholars distinguished the two categories of intellectuals more explicitly. A 1975 study, The Crisis of Democracy, labeled Brunetière’s ridiculous eccentrics “value-oriented intellectuals” who pose a “challenge to democratic government which is, potentially at least, as serious as those posed in the past by aristocratic cliques, fascist movements, and communist parties.” Among other misdeeds, these dangerous creatures “devote themselves to the derogation of leadership, the challenging of authority,” and they challenge the institutions responsible for “the indoctrination of the young.” Some even sink to the depths of questioning the nobility of war aims, as Bourne had. This castigation of the miscreants who question authority and the established order was delivered by the scholars of the liberal internationalist Trilateral Commission; the Carter administration was largely drawn from their ranks.
Like The New Republic progressives during World War I, the authors of The Crisis of Democracy extend the concept of the “intellectual” beyond Brunetière’s ridiculous eccentrics to include the better sort as well: the “technocratic and policy-oriented intellectuals,” responsible and serious thinkers who devote themselves to the constructive work of shaping policy within established institutions and to ensuring that indoctrination of the young proceeds on course.
It took Dewey only a few years to shift from the responsible technocratic and policy-oriented intellectual of World War I to an anarchist of the lecture-platform, as he denounced the “un-free press” and questioned “how far genuine intellectual freedom and social responsibility are possible on any large scale under the existing economic regime.”
What particularly troubled the Trilateral scholars was the “excess of democracy” during the time of troubles, the 1960s, when normally passive and apathetic parts of the population entered the political arena to advance their concerns: minorities, women, the young, the old, working people . . . in short, the population, sometimes called the “special interests.” They are to be distinguished from those whom Adam Smith called the “masters of mankind,” who are “the principal architects” of government policy and pursue their “vile maxim”: “All for ourselves and nothing for other people.” The role of the masters in the political arena is not deplored, or discussed, in the Trilateral volume, presumably because the masters represent “the national interest,” like those who applauded themselves for leading the country to war “after the utmost deliberation by the more thoughtful members of the community” had reached its “moral verdict.”
To overcome the excessive burden imposed on the state by the special interests, the Trilateralists called for more “moderation in democracy,” a return to passivity on the part of the less deserving, perhaps even a return to the happy days when “Truman had been able to govern the country with the cooperation of a relatively small number of Wall Street lawyers and bankers,” and democracy therefore flourished.
The Trilateralists could well have claimed to be adhering to the original intent of the Constitution, “intrinsically an aristocratic document designed to check the democratic tendencies of the period” by delivering power to a “better sort” of people and barring “those who were not rich, well born, or prominent from exercising political power,” in the accurate words of the historian Gordon Wood. In Madison’s defense, however, we should recognize that his mentality was pre-capitalist. In determining that power should be in the hands of “the wealth of the nation,” “a the more capable set of men,” he envisioned those men on the model of the “enlightened Statesmen” and “benevolent philosopher” of the imagined Roman world. They would be “pure and noble,” “men of intelligence, patriotism, property, and independent circumstances” “whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country, and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations.” So endowed, these men would “refine and enlarge the public views,” guarding the public interest against the “mischiefs” of democratic majorities. In a similar vein, the progressive Wilsonian intellectuals might have taken comfort in the discoveries of the behavioral sciences, explained in 1939 by the psychologist and education theorist Edward Thorndike:
It is the great good fortune of mankind that there is a substantial correlation between intelligence and morality including good will toward one’s fellows . . . . Consequently our superiors in ability are on the average our benefactors, and it is often safer to trust our interests to them than to ourselves.
A comforting doctrine, though some might feel that Adam Smith had the sharper eye.
Since power tends to prevail, intellectuals who serve their governments are considered responsible, and value-oriented intellectuals are dismissed or denigrated. At home that is.
With regard to enemies, the distinction between the two categories of intellectuals is retained, but with values reversed. In the old Soviet Union, the value-oriented intellectuals were the honored dissidents, while we had only contempt for the apparatchiks and commissars, the technocratic and policy-oriented intellectuals. Similarly in Iran we honor the courageous dissidents and condemn those who defend the clerical establishment. And elsewhere generally.
The honorable term “dissident” is used selectively. It does not, of course, apply, with its favorable connotations, to value-oriented intellectuals at home or to those who combat U.S.-supported tyranny abroad. Take the interesting case of Nelson Mandela, who was removed from the official terrorist list in 2008, and can now travel to the United States without special authorization.
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Ignacio Ellacuría
Twenty years earlier, he was the criminal leader of one of the world’s “more notorious terrorist groups,” according to a Pentagon report. That is why President Reagan had to support the apartheid regime, increasing trade with South Africa in violation of congressional sanctions and supporting South Africa’s depredations in neighboring countries, which led, according to a UN study, to 1.5 million deaths. That was only one episode in the war on terrorism that Reagan declared to combat “the plague of the modern age,” or, as Secretary of State George Shultz had it, “a return to barbarism in the modern age.” We may add hundreds of thousands of corpses in Central America and tens of thousands more in the Middle East, among other achievements. Small wonder that the Great Communicator is worshipped by Hoover Institution scholars as a colossus whose “spirit seems to stride the country, watching us like a warm and friendly ghost,” recently honored further by a statue that defaces the American Embassy in London.
What particularly troubled the Trilateral scholars was the ‘excess of democracy’ in the 1960s.
The Latin American case is revealing. Those who called for freedom and justice in Latin America are not admitted to the pantheon of honored dissidents. For example, a week after the fall of the Berlin Wall, six leading Latin American intellectuals, all Jesuit priests, had their heads blown off on the direct orders of the Salvadoran high command. The perpetrators were from an elite battalion armed and trained by Washington that had already left a gruesome trail of blood and terror, and had just returned from renewed training at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. The murdered priests are not commemorated as honored dissidents, nor are others like them throughout the hemisphere. Honored dissidents are those who called for freedom in enemy domains in Eastern Europe, who certainly suffered, but not remotely like their counterparts in Latin America.
The distinction is worth examination, and tells us a lot about the two senses of the phrase “responsibility of intellectuals,” and about ourselves. It is not seriously in question, as John Coatsworth writes in the recently published Cambridge University History of the Cold War, that from 1960 to “the Soviet collapse in 1990, the numbers of political prisoners, torture victims, and executions of nonviolent political dissenters in Latin America vastly exceeded those in the Soviet Union and its East European satellites.” Among the executed were many religious martyrs, and there were mass slaughters as well, consistently supported or initiated by Washington.
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Why then the distinction? It might be argued that what happened in Eastern Europe is far more momentous than the fate of the South at our hands. It would be interesting to see the argument spelled out. And also to see the argument explaining why we should disregard elementary moral principles, among them that if we are serious about suffering and atrocities, about justice and rights, we will focus our efforts on where we can do the most good—typically, where we share responsibility for what is being done. We have no difficulty demanding that our enemies follow such principles.
Few of us care, or should, what Andrei Sakharov or Shirin Ebadi say about U.S. or Israeli crimes; we admire them for what they say and do about those of their own states, and the conclusion holds far more strongly for those who live in more free and democratic societies, and therefore have far greater opportunities to act effectively. It is of some interest that in the most respected circles, practice is virtually the opposite of what elementary moral values dictate.
But let us conform and keep only to the matter of historical import.
The U.S. wars in Latin America from 1960 to 1990, quite apart from their horrors, have long-term historical significance. To consider just one important aspect, in no small measure they were wars against the Church, undertaken to crush a terrible heresy proclaimed at Vatican II in 1962, which, under the leadership of Pope John XXIII, “ushered in a new era in the history of the Catholic Church,” in the words of the distinguished theologian Hans Küng, restoring the teachings of the gospels that had been put to rest in the fourth century when the Emperor Constantine established Christianity as the religion of the Roman Empire, instituting “a revolution” that converted “the persecuted church” to a “persecuting church.” The heresy of Vatican II was taken up by Latin American bishops who adopted the “preferential option for the poor.” Priests, nuns, and laypersons then brought the radical pacifist message of the gospels to the poor, helping them organize to ameliorate their bitter fate in the domains of U.S. power.
That same year, 1962, President Kennedy made several critical decisions. One was to shift the mission of the militaries of Latin America from “hemispheric defense”—an anachronism from World War II—to “internal security,” in effect, war against the domestic population, if they raise their heads. Charles Maechling, who led U.S. counterinsurgency and internal defense planning from 1961 to 1966, describes the unsurprising consequences of the 1962 decision as a shift from toleration “of the rapacity and cruelty of the Latin American military” to “direct complicity” in their crimes to U.S. support for “the methods of Heinrich Himmler’s extermination squads.” One major initiative was a military coup in Brazil, planned in Washington and implemented shortly after Kennedy’s assassination, instituting a murderous and brutal national security state. The plague of repression then spread through the hemisphere, including the 1973 coup installing the Pinochet dictatorship, and later the most vicious of all, the Argentine dictatorship, Reagan’s favorite. Central America’s turn—not for the first time—came in the 1980s under the leadership of the “warm and friendly ghost” who is now revered for his achievements.
The murder of the Jesuit intellectuals as the Berlin wall fell was a final blow in defeating the heresy, culminating a decade of horror in El Salvador that opened with the assassination, by much the same hands, of Archbishop Óscar Romero, the “voice for the voiceless.” The victors in the war against the Church declare their responsibility with pride. The School of the Americas (since renamed), famous for its training of Latin American killers, announces as one of its “talking points” that the liberation theology that was initiated at Vatican II was “defeated with the assistance of the US army.”
Actually, the November 1989 assassinations were almost a final blow. More was needed.
A year later Haiti had its first free election, and to the surprise and shock of Washington, which like others had anticipated the easy victory of its own candidate from the privileged elite, the organized public in the slums and hills elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide, a popular priest committed to liberation theology. The United States at once moved to undermine the elected government, and after the military coup that overthrew it a few months later, lent substantial support to the vicious military junta and its elite supporters. Trade was increased in violation of international sanctions and increased further under Clinton, who also authorized the Texaco oil company to supply the murderous rulers, in defiance of his own directives.
I will skip the disgraceful aftermath, amply reviewed elsewhere, except to point out that in 2004, the two traditional torturers of Haiti, France and the United States, joined by Canada, forcefully intervened, kidnapped President Aristide (who had been elected again), and shipped him off to central Africa. He and his party were effectively barred from the farcical 2010–11 elections, the most recent episode in a horrendous history that goes back hundreds of years and is barely known among the perpetrators of the crimes, who prefer tales of dedicated efforts to save the suffering people from their grim fate.
If we are serious about justice, we will focus our efforts where we share responsibility for what is being done.
Another fateful Kennedy decision in 1962 was to send a special forces mission to Colombia, led by General William Yarborough, who advised the Colombian security forces to undertake “paramilitary, sabotage and/or terrorist activities against known communist proponents,” activities that “should be backed by the United States.” The meaning of the phrase “communist proponents” was spelled out by the respected president of the Colombian Permanent Committee for Human Rights, former Minister of Foreign Affairs Alfredo Vázquez Carrizosa, who wrote that the Kennedy administration “took great pains to transform our regular armies into counterinsurgency brigades, accepting the new strategy of the death squads,” ushering in
what is known in Latin America as the National Security Doctrine. . . . [not] defense against an external enemy, but a way to make the military establishment the masters of the game . . . [with] the right to combat the internal enemy, as set forth in the Brazilian doctrine, the Argentine doctrine, the Uruguayan doctrine, and the Colombian doctrine: it is the right to fight and to exterminate social workers, trade unionists, men and women who are not supportive of the establishment, and who are assumed to be communist extremists. And this could mean anyone, including human rights activists such as myself.
In a 1980 study, Lars Schoultz, the leading U.S. academic specialist on human rights in Latin America, found that U.S. aid “has tended to flow disproportionately to Latin American governments which torture their citizens . . . to the hemisphere’s relatively egregious violators of fundamental human rights.” That included military aid, was independent of need, and continued through the Carter years. Ever since the Reagan administration, it has been superfluous to carry out such a study. In the 1980s one of the most notorious violators was El Salvador, which accordingly became the leading recipient of U.S. military aid, to be replaced by Colombia when it took the lead as the worst violator of human rights in the hemisphere. Vázquez Carrizosa himself was living under heavy guard in his Bogotá residence when I visited him there in 2002 as part of a mission of Amnesty International, which was opening its year-long campaign to protect human rights defenders in Colombia because of the country’s horrifying record of attacks against human rights and labor activists, and mostly the usual victims of state terror: the poor and defenseless. Terror and torture in Colombia were supplemented by chemical warfare (“fumigation”), under the pretext of the war on drugs, leading to huge flight to urban slums and misery for the survivors. Colombia’s attorney general’s office now estimates that more than 140,000 people have been killed by paramilitaries, often acting in close collaboration with the U.S.-funded military.
Signs of the slaughter are everywhere. On a nearly impassible dirt road to a remote village in southern Colombia a year ago, my companions and I passed a small clearing with many simple crosses marking the graves of victims of a paramilitary attack on a local bus. Reports of the killings are graphic enough; spending a little time with the survivors, who are among the kindest and most compassionate people I have ever had the privilege of meeting, makes the picture more vivid, and only more painful.
This is the briefest sketch of terrible crimes for which Americans bear substantial culpability, and that we could easily ameliorate, at the very least.
But it is more gratifying to bask in praise for courageously protesting the abuses of official enemies, a fine activity, but not the priority of a value-oriented intellectual who takes the responsibilities of that stance seriously.
The victims within our domains, unlike those in enemy states, are not merely ignored and quickly forgotten, but are also cynically insulted. One striking illustration came a few weeks after the murder of the Latin American intellectuals in El Salvador. Vaclav Havel visited Washington and addressed a joint session of Congress. Before his enraptured audience, Havel lauded the “defenders of freedom” in Washington who “understood the responsibility that flowed from” being “the most powerful nation on earth”—crucially, their responsibility for the brutal assassination of his Salvadoran counterparts shortly before.
The liberal intellectual class was enthralled by his presentation. Havel reminds us that “we live in a romantic age,” Anthony Lewis gushed. Other prominent liberal commentators reveled in Havel’s “idealism, his irony, his humanity,” as he “preached a difficult doctrine of individual responsibility” while Congress “obviously ached with respect” for his genius and integrity; and asked why America lacks intellectuals so profound, who “elevate morality over self-interest” in this way, praising us for the tortured and mutilated corpses that litter the countries that we have left in misery. We need not tarry on what the reaction would have been had Father Ellacuría, the most prominent of the murdered Jesuit intellectuals, spoken such words at the Duma after elite forces armed and trained by the Soviet Union assassinated Havel and half a dozen of his associates—a performance that is inconceivable.
John
Dewey / Photograph: New York Public Library / Photoresearchers, Inc.
The assassination of bin Laden, too, directs our attention to our insulted victims. There is much more to say about the operation—including Washington’s willingness to face a serious risk of major war and even leakage of fissile materials to jihadis, as I have discussed elsewhere—but let us keep to the choice of name: Operation Geronimo. The name caused outrage in Mexico and was protested by indigenous groups in the United States, but there seems to have been no further notice of the fact that Obama was identifying bin Laden with the Apache Indian chief. Geronimo led the courageous resistance to invaders who sought to consign his people to the fate of “that hapless race of native Americans, which we are exterminating with such merciless and perfidious cruelty, among the heinous sins of this nation, for which I believe God will one day bring [it] to judgement,” in the words of the grand strategist John Quincy Adams, the intellectual architect of manifest destiny, uttered long after his own contributions to these sins. The casual choice of the name is reminiscent of the ease with which we name our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Blackhawk, Cheyenne . . . We might react differently if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”
The first 9/11, unlike the second, did not change the world. It was ‘nothing of very great consequence,’ Kissinger said.
Denial of these “heinous sins” is sometimes explicit. To mention a few recent cases, two years ago in one of the world’s leading left-liberal intellectual journals, The New York Review of Books, Russell Baker outlined what he learned from the work of the “heroic historian” Edmund Morgan: namely, that when Columbus and the early explorers arrived they “found a continental vastness sparsely populated by farming and hunting people . . . . In the limitless and unspoiled world stretching from tropical jungle to the frozen north, there may have been scarcely more than a million inhabitants.” The calculation is off by many tens of millions, and the “vastness” included advanced civilizations throughout the continent. No reactions appeared, though four months later the editors issued a correction, noting that in North America there may have been as many as 18 million people—and, unmentioned, tens of millions more “from tropical jungle to the frozen north.” This was all well known decades ago—including the advanced civilizations and the “merciless and perfidious cruelty” of the “extermination”—but not important enough even for a casual phrase. In London Review of Books a year later, the noted historian Mark Mazower mentioned American “mistreatment of the Native Americans,” again eliciting no comment. Would we accept the word “mistreatment” for comparable crimes committed by enemies?
If the responsibility of intellectuals refers to their moral responsibility as decent human beings in a position to use their privilege and status to advance the cause of freedom, justice, mercy, and peace—and to speak out not simply about the abuses of our enemies, but, far more significantly, about the crimes in which we are implicated and can ameliorate or terminate if we choose—how should we think of 9/11?
The notion that 9/11 “changed the world” is widely held, understandably. The events of that day certainly had major consequences, domestic and international. One was to lead President Bush to re-declare Ronald Reagan’s war on terrorism—the first one has been effectively “disappeared,” to borrow the phrase of our favorite Latin American killers and torturers, presumably because the consequences do not fit well with preferred self images. Another consequence was the invasion of Afghanistan, then Iraq, and more recently military interventions in several other countries in the region and regular threats of an attack on Iran (“all options are open,” in the standard phrase). The costs, in every dimension, have been enormous. That suggests a rather obvious question, not asked for the first time: was there an alternative?
A number of analysts have observed that bin Laden won major successes in his war against the United States. “He repeatedly asserted that the only way to drive the U.S. from the Muslim world and defeat its satraps was by drawing Americans into a series of small but expensive wars that would ultimately bankrupt them,” the journalist Eric Margolis writes.
The United States, first under George W. Bush and then Barack Obama, rushed right into bin Laden’s trap. . . . Grotesquely overblown military outlays and debt addiction . . . . may be the most pernicious legacy of the man who thought he could defeat the United States.
A report from the Costs of War project at Brown University’s Watson Institute for International Studies estimates that the final bill will be $3.2–4 trillion. Quite an impressive achievement by bin Laden.
That Washington was intent on rushing into bin Laden’s trap was evident at once. Michael Scheuer, the senior CIA analyst responsible for tracking bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, writes, “Bin Laden has been precise in telling America the reasons he is waging war on us.” The al Qaeda leader, Scheuer continues, “is out to drastically alter U.S. and Western policies toward the Islamic world.”
And, as Scheuer explains, bin Laden largely succeeded: “U.S. forces and policies are completing the radicalization of the Islamic world, something Osama bin Laden has been trying to do with substantial but incomplete success since the early 1990s. As a result, I think it is fair to conclude that the United States of America remains bin Laden’s only indispensable ally.” And arguably remains so, even after his death.
There is good reason to believe that the jihadi movement could have been split and undermined after the 9/11 attack, which was criticized harshly within the movement. Furthermore, the “crime against humanity,” as it was rightly called, could have been approached as a crime, with an international operation to apprehend the likely suspects. That was recognized in the immediate aftermath of the attack, but no such idea was even considered by decision-makers in government. It seems no thought was given to the Taliban’s tentative offer—how serious an offer, we cannot know—to present the al Qaeda leaders for a judicial proceeding.
At the time, I quoted Robert Fisk’s conclusion that the horrendous crime of 9/11 was committed with “wickedness and awesome cruelty”—an accurate judgment. The crimes could have been even worse. Suppose that Flight 93, downed by courageous passengers in Pennsylvania, had bombed the White House, killing the president. Suppose that the perpetrators of the crime planned to, and did, impose a military dictatorship that killed thousands and tortured tens of thousands. Suppose the new dictatorship established, with the support of the criminals, an international terror center that helped impose similar torture-and-terror states elsewhere, and, as icing on the cake, brought in a team of economists—call them “the Kandahar boys”—who quickly drove the economy into one of the worst depressions in its history. That, plainly, would have been a lot worse than 9/11.
As we all should know, this is not a thought experiment. It happened. I am, of course, referring to what in Latin America is often called “the first 9/11”: September 11, 1973, when the United States succeeded in its intensive efforts to overthrow the democratic government of Salvador Allende in Chile with a military coup that placed General Pinochet’s ghastly regime in office. The dictatorship then installed the Chicago Boys—economists trained at the University of Chicago—to reshape Chile’s economy. Consider the economic destruction, the torture and kidnappings, and multiply the numbers killed by 25 to yield per capita equivalents, and you will see just how much more devastating the first 9/11 was.
Privilege yields opportunity, and opportunity confers responsibilities.
The goal of the overthrow, in the words of the Nixon administration, was to kill the “virus” that might encourage all those “foreigners [who] are out to screw us”—screw us by trying to take over their own resources and more generally to pursue a policy of independent development along lines disliked by Washington. In the background was the conclusion of Nixon’s National Security Council that if the United States could not control Latin America, it could not expect “to achieve a successful order elsewhere in the world.” Washington’s “credibility” would be undermined, as Henry Kissinger put it.
The first 9/11, unlike the second, did not change the world. It was “nothing of very great consequence,” Kissinger assured his boss a few days later. And judging by how it figures in conventional history, his words can hardly be faulted, though the survivors may see the matter differently.
These events of little consequence were not limited to the military coup that destroyed Chilean democracy and set in motion the horror story that followed. As already discussed, the first 9/11 was just one act in the drama that began in 1962 when Kennedy shifted the mission of the Latin American militaries to “internal security.” The shattering aftermath is also of little consequence, the familiar pattern when history is guarded by responsible intellectuals.
It seems to be close to a historical universal that conformist intellectuals, the ones who support official aims and ignore or rationalize official crimes, are honored and privileged in their own societies, and the value-oriented punished in one or another way. The pattern goes back to the earliest records. It was the man accused of corrupting the youth of Athens who drank the hemlock, much as Dreyfusards were accused of “corrupting souls, and, in due course, society as a whole” and the value-oriented intellectuals of the 1960s were charged with interference with “indoctrination of the young.”
In the Hebrew scriptures there are figures who by contemporary standards are dissident intellectuals, called “prophets” in the English translation. They bitterly angered the establishment with their critical geopolitical analysis, their condemnation of the crimes of the powerful, their calls for justice and concern for the poor and suffering. King Ahab, the most evil of the kings, denounced the Prophet Elijah as a hater of Israel, the first “self-hating Jew” or “anti-American” in the modern counterparts. The prophets were treated harshly, unlike the flatterers at the court, who were later condemned as false prophets. The pattern is understandable. It would be surprising if it were otherwise.
As for the responsibility of intellectuals, there does not seem to me to be much to say beyond some simple truths. Intellectuals are typically privileged—merely an observation about usage of the term. Privilege yields opportunity, and opportunity confers responsibilities. An individual then has choices.
For a response to this article, see The Constructive Responsibility of Intellectuals by Archon Fung.
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Bin Laden, however, was still waging war on the United States up to his death. He never gave up. He was still recruiting for his terrorist network.
Let's keep that in mind. If Germany leaders hadn't surrendered, the United States, Russia, and England would still have kept on killing German soldiers. And if Bin Laden had surrendered, the US could have dealt with him accordingly.
But he didn't. Bin Laden wasn't murdered, a word with the particular meaning of an unlawful death. He was killed, justly, fortunately, and finally.
He has no interest in the sins of other peoples, or the good done by the USA and Israel.
Before opening his mouth again, he should make a compilation of acts that other peoples should feel guilty about, and also those things the USA and Israel should feel proud about.
Noam Chomsky may not be a prophet, but he is the conscience of the sins of American exceptionalism.
All Chomsky's grammatic theories have gradually been shown to be incorrect - the poor man has been forced to ungraciously admit his intellectual opponents were correct.
We now understand the academic regime he ran at his university was dictatorial in excluding other views.
BTW if was so "easy" to arrest Bin Laden, why didn't the author volunteer for the job?
Very clever man, wildly arrogant, poor judgement, able to find the wrong end of every stick in a heap of sticks
For instance, anyone who had read this article, unlike commenter #2, would understand why Chomsky doesn't bother himself with singing the praises of the USA or Israel before criticizing them.
"The other day, giving in to a masochistic impulse, I attended a presentation by Noam Chomsky with the fuzzy title "The Unipolar Moment and the Culture of Imperialism". The lecture, advertised as “The Fifth Annual Edward Said Memorial Lecture”, was held at the Columbia University. One hour before the scheduled event the hall was full and a good number of people, mostly students, had to watch the speech outside on closed circuit TV. While waiting on line, a middle aged women started to distribute post cards with an appeal to break the siege of Gaza, and calling for a December 31’st world wide human chain; arms linked in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza.
A friend, with a sense of humor compatible with mine was already inside so I had a reserved seat.
After the traditional 15 minute delay, the academic quarter, the guest speaker made his entrance greeted with prolonged applause segueing into a standing ovation, before he even reached the podium.
After an introduction by Mariam Said, Edward Said’s widow, another professor spoke briefly about Chomsky describing him as the lucid observer who had shown the world that the Emperor had no clothes. The Emperor of course was the USA and its acolytes.
Finally the main event started and for the first time I heard the soft monotonous voice of the enlightened one. It started with a generic statement about the evils of settlements as manifestations of imperialism, followed by a historical exposé of the New World settlement. For fifteen maybe twenty minutes the speaker laid bare the oppression of the indigenous peoples who, according to him and contrary to common belief, had an advanced civilization at the time of Europeans’ arrival. To my surprise no logical thread was discernable in his argumentation; instead he had a long list of quotes or fragments of quotes from different personalities, politicians, writers, historians, poets and journalists, skipping back and forth from century to century. Even Walt Whitman, Waldo Emerson and Darwin were quoted as promoters of genocidal imperialism. During the first eighteen minutes or so, I counted twenty three names, mentioned or quoted in a random order, spanning from George Washington to Andrea Merkel.
Of course there is a lot to be said about the way Native Americans were treated, but the bland listing of bumper-to-bumper quotes, without any context or background information, from a professor of linguistics, was surprising even if said professor is 81.
As for the advanced local civilization in the fourteen hundreds, surprisingly he failed to mention the practice of cannibalism or the absence of the wheel.
Without a change in tone, the speaker broached the next topic, the right-wing militias in Latin America. To comment on the assassination of bishop Oscar Romero in El Salvador, he went back to Emperor Constantine and the beginning of the spread of Christianity, followed by a small leap to present-day Liberation Theology, followed in the same breath by the ugly USA financing oppressors in Latin America. That segment took another fifteen minutes or so.
The audience was listening in total silence until, without warning, the topic changed once more, and in the same monotonous voice Mr. Chomsky attacked the colonial occupation of the Palestinian territories and the “monstrous” separation wall, which he called the “wall of annexation” since, as he stated, it has nothing to do with security. And of course the January 2009 war against Gaza perpetrated by America and Israel is proof of the Culture of Imperialism. He actually said, for the benefit of those ill informed, that Gaza was attacked by USA and Israel.
Here the audience burst into enthusiastic applauses. The speaker went on to point out that the separation wall is more sinister-and longer-than the Berlin Wall ever was. That was a linkage to the twentieth anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall which, according to him, dissimulates the fact that the big bad USA has become the world’s only super-power; which finally connected to the lecture’s title.
There are two stages of restlessness. First you look at your watch every now and then. Second stage, after looking at your watch, you put it to your ear to make sure it’s working. We went through both. It was just about here that our patience ran out.
My friend and I got up and left. I have to confess that the exotic fascinates me but this was too much.
I do regret missing the Q&A session, although I can imagine how it went.
For some reason I remember a dialogue at Harvard, a good few years back, between W.F. Buckley and Mc Govern, a former liberal presidential candidate. When the students responded with enthusiasm to one of his statements, Mc Govern smugly noted how popular he is, to which Mr. Buckley retorted: You were always the choice of the partially educated.
My conclusion was that at "The Unipolar Moment and the Culture of Imperialism" I met “The Unipolar Culture of (certain) minds”, and that
The Emperor has no clothes."
You complain about Chomsky's presentation of native American civilization by pointing out cannibalism and the lack of wheels. Actually, there were wheels in the "new world," but they weren't widely used for transportation probably because there were not the kind of mammals needed to pull them. Chomsky's understanding of "civilization" is different from yours. He doesn't define civilization by level of technology. After all, the delivery vehicle for a nuclear weapon is very sophisticated, but it is nonetheless an indiscriminate killing machine, and the U.S. is still the only culture to use it to kill indiscriminately.
Your response suggests that you think the native Americans were incapable of becoming European. That's either racist or severely uncritical (or both).
Many of the writers in this comment stream express rigid thinking. Is U.S. power founded on democracy, justice, and the rule of law? Or is it founded on slavery, private property, and the rule of wealth? It's not either-or. It's both. If you want to make a better world, confront the historical and material reality of the world in which you live. Admit the mistakes, unless you live in a perfect world--a global economy that privileges you (why?) so that you can look down your nose at those who bear your middle-class weight (a weight that paradoxically provides momentum but very little substance). It's fairly well-documented that "Americans" have a blind spot for the "weight of history" and carry a heavy "it was never us; we were always the heroes" mentality. Chomsky provides the antidote for this dominant mentality, and so he is, of course, abused for opening his mouth.
By the way, those "signs of restlessness" you mention are also indicative of someone who is forced to face evidence that doesn't fit their current understanding of the world. You should have stayed and asked questions instead of avoiding a confrontation you so clearly would have won, based on the level of confidence you exhibit.
Luke @ 1: "But he didn't. Bin Laden wasn't murdered, a word with the particular meaning of an unlawful death. He was killed, justly, fortunately, and finally."
That's easy to say. If you're a U.S. citizen, though, with an understanding of your democratic responsibility, you're responsible for every unjustified killing your government performs. The democracy is responsible for all collateral damage, all covert ops resulting in death, the Guatemalan "experiments," slavery--the whole nine yards. Yet you claim the right to decide what is just and what is not, what is murder and what is not. Osama bin Laden thought that the U.S. was demonstrably a deadly threat. The U.S. thought that Osama bin Laden was demonstrably a deadly threat. The response of both has been the same, and both claimed they had the right of it. Both appealed to history. Both avoided looking at certain historical and material realities. Both sought to establish or maintain power over energy sources. If bin Laden deserved death, then the architects of "manifest destiny" deserved death. Those who order bombs to be dropped on civilians in undemocratic (and arguably democratic) nations deserve death. An exceptional culture--a civilized culture--is one that recognizes and takes responsibility for the totality of its historical and material development.
Ugh, the inevitable Nazi reference. That will give someone license to point out the arguable but interesting similarities between the attitudes and beliefs that shape Zionist Israel and those that shaped Nazi Germany. However, if you call yourself a critical thinker, you step beyond nation, culture, religion, and economic mode--step beyond ideology. If not, yap yap yap, blah blah blah.
And now, just to send the comment stream more quickly to its destiny: God hates global warming!
But more astonishing is the self congratulatory, stupid, insouciance with which the liberal intelligentsia has passed off its thorough complicity in these crimes; something the more notable because its preferred hobby during this time has been the spotting- and sometimes punishment- of "human rights violations" elsewhere.
On the 11th day of September in 2001, 2800 plus died after an attack, planned and carried out, it would seem, by free lance terrorists in revenge for US policies in the middle east.
On the 11th day of September 1973, the President of Chile and thousands of others died as the direct result of a coup conceived and carried out by agents of the US government. They justified their crime as a defence of US investments from nationalists.
In the years that followed the number killed, tortured, imprisoned and otherwise victimised rose steadily until the greater part of the continent was ruled by vicious military gangs owing allegiance to and patronised by Washington.
When will the trials begin?
I add my thunderous applause to the too few who will do likewise.
[Words] assassination/terror/state sponsored murder [words] Obama/Bush [words] Nazi [words] irrefutable [words] military dictatorship [words] simply [words] U.S. supported murder/terror/assassination [words] blood soaked [words] Kissinger [words] Allende/Chile/CIA covert war [words] terror U.S. repression U.S. oppression U.S. [words].
Somehow, every wrong of this world points back to the U.S. government, specifically to covert CIA operations in South and Central America, to Kissinger, and quite possibly to what was done to Native Americans.
Chomsky has discovered that courageous intellectuals who speak truth to power often get to suffer from their courage? That intellectuals often ally themselves with the wrong side of a moral equation and reap rewards from it? Oh, come on -- these are new insights now, are they? We're only just discovering that?
Of course we're not. There's nothing new here. What it is, is another self-righteous diatribe designed to gather more adoration from his fans and more attention from everyone else. Notice the opening line: "Since we often cannot see what is happening before our eyes ..." The gist of the article, as is the gist of all Chomsky's writing, is that everybody else (conformists) can't see the obvious which he (the courageous intellectual) shall now proceed to illuminate for us.
Yet, somehow, the evidence always leads to the same villain, all problems to the same course: The United States. Which, paradoxically, makes his target uniquely important and powerful. Having thus built up the stature and villainy of his target to comic-book proportions, he's also set himself up as, by proxy, uniquely courageous and important for having the courage to speak against that target. Never mind, of course, that he reduces the entire rest of the planet to the status of reacting to the United States' acting. And never mind, of course, that rather than be punished or repressed or shot or jailed for his "courage" he's instead rewarded with endless attention, adoration from fans, attention candy from detractors, and a lucrative career as a professional accuser. But, you know what? That's not discourse. That's just garden-variety narcissism.
@1Everyone Else
"Before opening his mouth again, he should make a compilation of acts that other peoples should feel guilty about..."
While he certainly does criticize atrocities outside the US's control, the major point of this article (which you didn't read) was why we should focus on the crimes of our own societies and institutions first, since a failure to do so signifies both cowardice and complicity, characteristics you're only too familiar with.
@2Luke Jenson
"Bin Laden wasn't murdered, a word with the particular meaning of an unlawful death."
The fact that he was an evil man who, like other evil people and their supporters, didn't deserve life, does not make his killing "lawful." His lawful arrest, interrogation and trial would not only have put many of the mysteries surrounding 9/11 to rest but, much more importantly, could've ended the counter-productive "WAR" on terror and replaced it with a much more sensible international law enforcement cooperation paradigm to dealing with the threat, such as it is. Hence his murder.
Everyone who claims Chomsky ever "SUPPORTED" Pol Pot let alone Bin Laden or holocaust denial should be prosecuted for libel. The historical record shows that our US government DID however support (and catalyze the rise of) Pol Pot and Bin Laden, and included many Nazi sympathizers who also refused to let the US receive Jewish refugees before the war. None of that matters to his legions of viscous and voluntarily retarded critics, who have enough free time to deface his articles but not enough to read what he has written in his straight-forward and to the point way.
@10Somethings...
"All Chomsky's grammatic (sic) theories have gradually been shown to be incorrect."
Not true. While the field has naturally evolved, he is still recognized and respected as a founding father of both cognitive science and modern linguistics. Whether or not his theories have been modified also has no bearing whatsoever on his social critiques.
"We now understand the academic regime he ran at his university was dictatorial in excluding other views."
Absolutely contrary to every statement of every ex-student of his I've ever come across, as well as to the experience of MYSELF and dozens of people I've talked to who were lucky enough to hear him speak and graciously and patiently answer every audience members questions for hours afterwards.
In conclusion, Noam is simply unwilling to forget the suffering of the many victims that power structures carry out "in our name," and I will always respect him for it.
You seem troubled that Chomsky frequently discuss the same subject. What's your point? What do you think he should be discussing? Should America's leading dissident spend more time talking about baseball?
You suggest that Chomsky's point is "that intellectuals often ally themselves with the wrong side of a moral equation and reap rewards from it?" So you are suggesting that those Chomsky admires, in your opinion, take the wrong side of a moral issue in order to reap the benefits? Was Debs' imprisonment his reward? Was his moral compass incorrect, in what way?
You write: "And never mind, of course, that rather than be (sic) punished or repressed or shot or jailed for his "courage" he's instead rewarded with endless attention..." Isn't one of the advantages of living in a country that allows freedom of speech that individuals like Chomsky can express their opinion without reprisal? Are your suggesting it should be otherwise? And what is wrong with Chomsky being "rewarded with endless attention"? Who should we be paying attention to, or do you think no one deserves our attention?
You conclude by suggesting Chomsky is narcissistic and a professional accuser. That's it? That's your insight into Chomsky and all his writings? Should we pay attention to this, or would that be too much of a reward?
He doesn't mention the presence of Communists in South America, nor that it is reasonable to suspect those left-wing insurgents of being willing to commit terrible crimes in their rise to power, or once they were in power. For example, the Shining Path in Peru openly state they plan to overthrow democracy and install a dictatorship of the proletariat. They've committed numerous crimes against peasants, trade unionists, elected officials, etc, any wonder that the US was training military officers against *them*?
He says Bertrand Russel was bitterly condemend until after his death, and never mentions that Bertrand Russell won a Nobel Prize in literature, and lectured in the 1940s and 1950s on BBC, so while some people may have been bitterly condemning him, other people were warmly celebrating him, or at least inviting him to give his opinion again and again.
Chomsky talks a lot about the responsibility of intellectuals, but isn't one of the foremost responsibilities of intellectuals to tell both sides of the case, as best they can, and not to just ignore any evidence that disagrees with your hypothesis?
But, pacifism is a minority ethic. In every country I can think of, violence is legally permitted in self-defence (though the details of this right might vary), and it is generally accepted that the police have the right to commit violence under some circumstances, and that countries have a right to wage war in response to criminal acts, under some circumstances. There is no law of logic obliging you to agree with this, but then there's no law of logic obliging anyone else to agree with you.
But, pacifism is a minority ethic. In every country I can think of, violence is legally permitted in self-defence (though the details of this right might vary), and it is generally accepted that the police have the right to commit violence under some circumstances, and that countries have a right to wage war in response to criminal acts, under some circumstances. There is no law of logic obliging you to agree with this, but then there's no law of logic obliging anyone else to agree with you.
If Chomsky only looks at the crimes, he's never going to understand why other intellectuals sometimes defend the USA, and he's not doing the basic job of an intellectual.
If he doesn't praise the United States it's because there are plenty of people already doing that. His goal is to expose this country's failings so that the people demand that the government make restitution and change its ways. That the Untied States has accomplished good things does not absolve it of guilt for its crimes.
Nor is it necessary to cheer in order to criticize. It's not about balancing the good with the bad—though if you're deeply invested in that concept then consider how many more people, at much greater volume, not only praise the United States but regard it as sacred and infallible. Chomsky does not attempt here, or anywhere else, a holistic appraisal of the United States as a force for either good or evil in the world and therefore does not need to weigh the good against the bad. What he cares about is justice for specific criminal acts. That's why he talks about specific instances and criminals.
If you want a purely academic exercise in determining whether the U.S. does more harm than good, then find another writer and appraise the balance in their work. But don't apply that criterion to Chomsky. He's out for justice, not armchair debates.
On the basis of "third time lucky", I live in hope that your next comment will not consist of a logical fallacy.
No. Contempt was your word. My use of it was a response to yours, in comment #27, which should have been clear from context.
Chomsky irritates me. I am of course perfectly free to ignore him, as someone pointed out earlier. However, it does annoy me greatly that editors are still so ready to publish him, because his pieces aren’t that good. By posting my comments here I hope to influence their future decisions.
John Vincent wrote: "Did you read it [...]"
That "you didn't read it" tactic is a debate kill switch. I could just as easily ask whether you read my response before you replied to it. Moving on.
John Vincent wrote: "[...] because in your opinion he focuses too much on US terror and repression perpetrated on others"
You attribute opinions to me that I didn't express. My problem is he approaches every event -- e.g., 9/11 -- with an a priori conclusion and a pre-packaged villain. As someone else already pointed out, that's perfectly normal and valid in political polemics, but with Chomsky it comes with a veneer of academic rigor, viz. the wealth of footnotes and his fans' insistence on referring to him as a professor when he's involved in debates far from his field of expertise.
That's dishonest, an intellectual bullying tactic and a form of argument from authority, because what he's really doing is arguing from a dogmatic and moral absolutist point of view. It's taking the simplistic and black-and-white mode of a Pat Robertson or Glenn Beck and dressing it up as intellectualism, but it's not. It's hectoring, not examination. His methods are polar opposites to those of the Socrates he claims kinship with when he drops this reference: "It was the man accused of corrupting the youth of Athens who drank the hemlock [...]".
John Vincent wrote: "Beside that being the theme of the article, his reason for this focus is contained within it."
Yes, specifically this: "If we are serious about justice, we will focus our efforts where we share responsibility for what is being done." That is a good point. It is a valid point. You are morally responsible for crimes committed in your name. However, it's also an obvious point. Only a jingoist or an imbecile would disagree with it. It's the arguments and conclusions that follow I have a problem with.
For example, consider that I'm not American. I'm Norwegian. Does that mean I have moral high ground and you don't, because you have blood on your hands courtesy of Henry Kissinger and General Custer? No. If I were to apply Chomsky's moral absolutism, I wouldn't have to go back that far to find moral wrongs done by the Norwegian government. Forced sterilization of the mentally challenged? Check. Forced assimilation of the Lappi population? Check. The sacking, pillaging, murder, and rape done by the Vikings? Check. Where do I cut that moral responsibility off, and at what point do I reacquire the right to make moral judgments?
John Vincent wrote: "You seem troubled that Chomsky frequently discuss the same subject."
Not a valid reading of what I wrote. I am "troubled" because he can discuss any subject and invariably reach the same conclusion. Any event, same villain. Any problem, same cause.
John Vincent wrote: "Should America's leading dissident [..]"
"Leading," by what measure? The word "dissident" implies some degree of oppression and by extension some degree of victimization. In no way, in the U.S. of today, does it require "dissidence" to loudly skewer the U.S. government or anything else, in any forum anywhere. Speaking truth to power in -- examples at random -- Chile under Pinochet, Cuba under Castro, Libya under Qaddafi, the Soviet Union, North Korea, or any other regime you can name, that took dissidence. And courage. Railing against the U.S. government during the last fifty years is not dissidence, or even unusual, or even dangerous unless you start waving guns around. It requires no courage or even originality. In fact, it's perfectly normal. There is no act of the United States that has not been and is not now (rightly) held up to exhaustive scrutiny and criticism all the time. Again, there is nothing wrong with that; just don't pretend that it is somehow a courageous and prophetic act. Glenn Beck resents the U.S. government for different reasons than Chomsky but makes exactly the same claim of speaking truth to power. I think we can agree that doesn't make him a courageous prophet nor a "dissident".
John Vincent wrote: "So you are suggesting that those Chomsky admires, in your opinion, take the wrong side of a moral issue in order to reap the benefits?"
An absurd reading of what I wrote. I suggested no such thing. I suggested Chomsky's point is blindingly obvious. Intellectuals sometimes take the wrong side? Intellectuals sometimes stay quiet in the face of moral wrongs committed by those in power, for their own gain or out of fear? Not new. Of course that happens, always has, always will, just as it happens that intellectuals take a brave stand in the face of violence and death. These aren't new insights and don't contribute anything other than self-aggrandizement by association: Look at me! I'm with Mandela and Romero! I claim their suffering as mine! I expect more from a "leading dissident." Of course a thought leader or respected religious figure has some level responsibility to stand up for truth. The difficult discussion is where you draw lines. How about examining how you draw the distinction between wrong and right in the first place? How do you distinguish a prophet speaking truth to power from a demagogue who simply wants to replace that power with his own? How do you draw distinctions when one side calls a act evil and the other claims it to be moral? It's not enough to simply point out that intellectuals sometimes are self-serving or that they have responsibility to tell the truth. Sheesh.
John Vincent wrote: "Isn't one of the advantages of living in a country that allows freedom of speech that individuals like Chomsky can express their opinion without reprisal?"
Well, yes, and thank you for restating my point. That is indeed what I said. Chomsky cannot claim the mantle of the "dissident" precisely because he is free to say whatever he wants whenever he wants, and he is given plenty of admiring fora in which to express those opinions. I don't know why you think my point was something other than that.
John Vincent wrote: "Are your suggesting it should be otherwise?"
Only if you apply another absurd reading of what I wrote. Is it opposite day? Moving on.
John Vincent: "Who should we be paying attention to, or do you think no one deserves our attention?"
False choice -- a logical fallacy Chomsky is also fond of. You're saying if I don't like Chomsky I don't like anyone, or if I criticize Chomsky I must also come bearing a tray of other intellectuals to offer in return.
John Vincent wrote: "Chomsky is narcissistic and a professional accuser. That's it? That's your insight into Chomsky and all his writings?"
Certainly -- if you ignore the rest of my post and also assume I am required to dissect his entire catalogue, with footnotes and a bibliography in the APA format, before I'm allowed to offer a characterization.
Why narcissism? Because of the self-aggrandizement that comes with his relentless moral righteousness. Moral outrage is very easy to claim and wear. It feels good. However, it does not allow for much subtlety of distinction. Everything is black and white, good and evil, right (him) or wrong (they). Which sounds a lot like George W, doesn't it? The same glib moralism in W. as the one that allows Chomsky to toss around references to Nazis, Chile, Bin Laden, Kissinger, and Iraq as if they were so many interchangeable marbles. The same glib lack of perspective and sense of scale that causes Chomsky to claim, with a straight face, not only that the U.S. set out to crush Vatican II but also that it succeeded. As if there were no other forces at work in the world except the United States and everyone else is reduced simply to react to the U.S., having no will, opinion, or agency other than relative to the omnipotent United States. That shallow reading of events, the simplification, is very much characteristic of narcissism.
Of course Chomsky is free to write what he wishes, Jon, just as you are free to read him and I am free to ignore him. I comment here because I want the Boston Review editors to know some of its readers don't think this is up to editorial standards. There are better writers and thinkers out there who, yes, among other things, speak truth to power all the time, are not named Chomsky, and don't have a fan club.
"The pattern of praise and punishment is a familiar one throughout history: those who line up in the service of the state are typically praised by the general intellectual community, and those who refuse to line up in service of the state are punished. "
He cites as a case of this Bertrand Russell, saying that Bertrand Russell was bitterly condemend, but does not mention that Bertrand Russell also won a Nobel Prize, and frequently broadcast on the BBC, behaviours that contradict Chomsky's assertion that "those who refuse to line up in the service of the state are punished". (And note, I just happen to have read up a bit on Bertrand Russell back in July which was why I found Chomsky's description wrong, I haven't looked for counter-evidence for his other assertions).
Chomsky then says, in support of his thesis, that: "The Latin American case is revealing. ... Why then the distinction?" He goes on to make a one-sided list of US actions in Latin America, and asserts: "praising us for the tortured and mutilated corpses that litter the countries that we have left in misery", but details like that Chile is not in misery but is now in democracy, that the USA restored Aristide to Haiti, that there were blood-thirsy communist insurgencies in Latin America, are things he skips over, although they are things that may well affect intellectuals' views of the US government's actions in South America. You say that he's out for justice, but he's being very unjust to those he judges.
You advise me to "consider how many more people, at much greater volume, not only praise the United States but regard it as sacred and infallible
Dana, you also ask me to "consider how many more people, at much greater volume, not only praise the United States but regard it as sacred and infallible"
Let me consider - zero. I've never run across Americans who think that the USA is infallible. Nearly every American I can think of is firmly democratic, and democracy only makes sense if you regard your government as at least potentially fallible. About the only exception I can think of is R.A. Heinlein, who was pretty anti-democratic at times in his writings, and then he of course regarded the USA as being fallible because it was democratic. (Some Americans of course argue that the USA isn't democratic, but as far as I know they all regard that as a failing of the USA). Outside the USA, people tend to think that America is falliable whenever it fails to serve their interests.
A quick Google search for USA and "sacred and infallible" turns up a bunch of religious references that happen to mention the US. (eg to the Catholic Church in the USA).
Of course, I may have missed someone, if you can site some cases of people who actually believe this, please do so. But I think that anyone who believes that the USA is sacred and infallible must have severe logical problems.
Sand: so you think that, say, the restoration of President Aristide to Haiti, in 1994, does "not prove commendable in any way in the light of humane behaviour and basic decency."? Remarkable assertion, can I add you to my list of Americans who are at least sometimes opposed to democracy, along with R.A. Heinlein? (Assuming of course you are an American).
See:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/16/2118783/aristide-expected-return-to-haiti.html
Incidentally, in your generalized enthusiasm for democracy I wonder about your enthusiasm for the current crop of political trash now offered up as potential presidential material by the Republicans in opposition to the totally inadequate Obama who succeeded a twice elected catastrophe. I am all in favor of democracy wherein an intelligent and well informed citizenry can make choices for their leadership amongst candidates who offer real opportunities for progress and well being of the citizenry and can counterweight the powerful brutally destructive greed of the corporate and financial sectors but this seems well beyond all current possibilities. Like Churchill I feel democracy is attractive only in the light of other possibilities but currently I am having serious doubts.
I wonder about this peculiar concern for Heinlein who I followed since the late 1930's with delight for his immense imagination and some regret for his general literary abilities. Whatever his feeling about democracy, his cogent feel for social and scientific possibilities was well worth the effort reading his offerings.
1. If you read that article you linked, that's about 2011, not 1994.
2. I like a lot of Heinlein's writing, I agree with you that he has an immense imagination and is well worth reading. I will go further and say that I found it very refreshing to read a critique of democracy, though I am still, after due consideration, in favour of democracy. The main reason I mentioned Heinlein was I was trying to think of an American who did think that the US is infallible, in response to Dana's question, and in my experience Heinlein is unusual amongst Americans. Then, your reaction to the 1994 election made me prick up my ears at the thought that I had come across another American critical of democracy.
3. I am a citizen of NZ and also of the UK, not an American. I try to avoid any emotional involvement in US elections, because I already have two countries that cause me too much heartbreak when political trash gets into positions of power (Winston Peters springs to my mind, if you have no idea who he is, be grateful).
There really is a binary choice between doing evil for personal, corporate or national gain, or supporting synergetic integration of all humanity for the common consciousness leading to sum-total godhead. We must remember or learn about the simple reality that we may organize as egalitarian, as was the case for the entirety of the Paleolithic and Neolithic periods of modern humanity all around the planet, or we may organize as violently hierarchic, as has been the case for the last five thousand years (interestingly concordant with fundamentalists' belief that the world is 5000 years old, when history began to be written by the the hierarchicalist victors, beginning with Sargon in Iraq).
That women were the focus of the previous epoch (the mystery of live birth understandably the source of endless curiosity) and were the progenitors of language, law and inspiration for the veneration of Mother Earth, and are not so considered today, will give rise to a further understanding that modern states, based as they are on notions of power over rather than achievement with others are normatively criminal. But you will think this only if you know that other people (beginning with women) are your equals and that their striving for success is to be supported rather than thwarted.
Chomsky merely points this out in the historical context of one particular nation, of which he takes responsibility as one of its citizens. No foul.
It is amusing, though quickly boring in its organized repetitions, full of sound and fury, signifying ... nothing much
I'll take a stab as it carries the stench of bilge.
The multiple retorts evoked as, more or less "Bah!Humbug!", "Bullshit!", or some such other text graffiti as scribbled on public surfaces is simply not a sufficient retort. Emotional childishness is not becoming in this venue.
"Osama bin Laden. Though the target of the operation, unarmed and with no protection, could easily have been apprehended, he was simply murdered, his body dumped at sea without autopsy."
There is no footnote offered here.
Facts of the raid are that the Seal team came under fire from Abu Achme Al-Kuwaiti, Bin Laden\'s courier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Execution_of_the_operation) and engaged in a firefight. Also, bin Laden had a pistol and an assault rifle within reach when he died, according to his wife (ibid).
So clearly there were arms in the compound and clearly bin Laden had protection. And clearly he had access to firearms. Yet Chomsky writes here that he was
"unarmed and without protection."
Now there are two possibilities for this statement. Either Noam Chomsky is ignorant of the facts of the raid, or Noam Chomsky is trying to spread a falsehood, i.e. the man is lying.
Now moving on to rest of the statement . . .
What is the evidence that Chomsky has that bin Laden could have been "easily" apprehended? He offers none except his personal opinion, as indeed he offered no evidence for the unarmed, unprotected claim.
But apprehending Bin Laden was a military operation of great complexity and danger. What is Chomsky's military expertise? The answer is he has none, since he has never served in the military, nor does he even bother to offer any tactical assessment of the raid itself that might justify this "easily apprehended" claim.
As a matter of fact, if we subject his "easily apprehended" claim to a just a little cursory logic we find that it is rather ludicrous.
How exactly do you apprehend a suicide-terrorist in his stronghold if you don't know what's waiting for you? A man who has publicly sworn to die rather than surrender, who has sent his suicide killers around the world to blow themselves up and kill thousands of civilians, who has proclaimed his intention to procure nuclear or biological weapons.
How exactly do you do that, professor Chomsky?
Maybe knock on the door and ask him nicely to come out? Is that what "easily apprehend" means?
The adverb "easily" is exceedingly easy to use in a nice warm lecture hall. But under even cursory analysis it proves to be ludicrous as well as utterly unsubstantiated to claim that it was possible to "easily apprehend" bin Laden.
Thus we have shown that the first claim of Chomsky's essay above is a display of either ignorance or deliberate lying. If it is meant to be a microcosmic statement of a broader thesis to be developed then, logically, the rest of the thesis would be, to say the least, highly suspect.
murderers and racist anti-Semites. There is no doubt that Bin Laden was not a citizen of the United States and that he planned his monstrous mass murder outside
the bounds of the United States.
One needs only an IQ over fifty to realize what would have happened if this terrorist chieftain were captured.
His gang of thugs would take hostages in order to secure his release.
And it's beyond any doubt that Al Qaeda would have no compunction
torturing and murdering innocent people in
their efforts to extort his release. We've
seen it happen in Israel, a country often victimized by racist killers. Numerous times innocent hostages were taken
in exchange for terrorist properly tried and convicted in Israeli courts.
In Bin Laden's case even if there were a trial no truth would come out that isn't already known. It would be a circus, not a trial. And why give Ben Laden another platform to spew yet more Anti Semitic, Western, and Christian ranting.
Noam Chomsky obfuscates with a long tedious and totally irrelevant bromide. His tiresome treatise would have relevance
if Ben Laden had been an American citizen
or committed his crimes in an American Jurisdiction and so would clearly fall under American law.
But he considered himself at war with the United States. And indeed he was.
It was Ben Laden who first declared war.
When a country is at war it has a duty to destroy enemy targets with as few innocent lives as possible. And that is exactly what this country did. This targeted execution accomplished its purpose with as fewest lives lost as possible.
And yes Ben Laden did achieve some success.
So did Hitler. Demagogues often do at first. And one of the reasons is the muddle brainedapologists for these criminals.
No, Osama Bin Laden wasn't a dissident intellectual. He was a mass murder, committing the same kind
of mass murders that Chomsky alleges were
committed by the United States.
Sadly that is the only element of truth in Chomsky's whole pointless essay. No country is ever completely guiltless. But that doesn't makea country always guilty. And in this case America is guiltless, Osama Bin Laden completely
guilty and Noah Chomsky boringly irrelevant
I have no idea what this means. People, in my experience, vary hugely about any single question, and there are a vast number of questions out there. For example, whatever religion you adopt, or even if you adopt no religion at all, I assure you that there are numerous people who will disagree with your choice and say that you are not "with them". It may be possible to chose to be with the pharaoh, and adopt all his beliefs precisely, but I have no idea how you can chose to be with the people without going insane. And of course, it's entirely possible to agree with the "pharaoh" about some things and not about others.
That Chomsky chooses to chronicle the atrocities of the current world "pharaoh" and indicts "him" based on evidence in no way gives license to condemn him for it.
Indeed not. Chomsky however can be fairly criticised for the quality of the evidence he uses in coming to his indictment, and for the evidence he doesn't consider.
There really is a binary choice between doing evil for personal, corporate or national gain, or supporting synergetic integration of all humanity for the common consciousness leading to sum-total godhead.
No there isn't. One can for example choose to do good for indvidual human beings.
Chomsky merely points this out in the historical context of one particular nation, of which he takes responsibility as one of its citizens.
This is false. For example, Chomsky said that Bertrand Russell was an example of those who refusing to line up in the service of the state being punished. Yet he unaccountably failed to mention evidence of support from other intellectuals, such as Bertrand Russell's Nobel Prize.
Doc: So you consider that the USA's role in restoring Aristide in 1994 was part of the "disgraceful aftermath" in Haiti?
Sand: No, Chomsky has not presented "a reasonable historical description of the various behaviors of intellectuals in response to governmental policies". For a start, he failed to mention evidence against his hypothesis, like Bertrand Russell winning a Nobel Prize.
He cites the case of Vaclav Havel being admired when speaking in Washington D.c. and contrasts this with South American liberation theologists, but firstly he is musing about a counter-factual, and secondly it's fair to doubt the real commitment to freedom of anyone who takes their starting point from Marxism, given the lack of democracy and the violation of human rights that recurrs again and again in the regimes based on his ideas, and the severe problems with reconciling collective ownership of the means of production with freedom. Chomsky doesn't consider, therefore, that the intellectuals with whom he differs might have a rational basis for treating the two groups differently.
Chomsky also doesn't consider other evidence against his hypothesis, such as the public opposition by many intellectuals to George W. Bush's foreign policy (and indeed Clinton's), or factors such as Aristide being restored to the presidency in Haiti in 1994 as possibly being driven by intellectual pressures.
He won te Nobel Prize in 1950
You don't think there is any funny logic here?
Chomsky was clearly asserting that Russell's punishment was long-lasting: "after his death". I'm criticising him for failing to mention parts of the intellectual community that rewarded Bertrand Russell.
I'm sure you can find some intellectual who always bitterly condemned Bertrand Russell, but it's wrong to attribute that to the whole intellectual community but not mention that other intellectuals (such as the ones awarding Nobel Prizes, or deciding who to invite onto BBC broadcasts), when you're generally criticising intellectuals.
The key sentence is the following: "Few of us care, or should, what Andrei Sakharov or Shirin Ebadi say about U.S. or Israeli crimes; we admire them for what they say and do about those of their own states, and the conclusion holds far more strongly for those who live in more free and democratic societies, and therefore have far greater opportunities to act effectively." I want to suggest that Chomsky admires dissidents like Sakharov and Ebadi so greatly in fact that he wants to be like them (or, alternatively, he wants the attention they get, as he is also clearly downplaying their achievements). For this however he stands no chance: we admire these people in particular not because they stood for "higher values", but because they chose to stand for these values against incredible odds, putting themselves and their loved ones in real danger. In other terms, they made extremely difficult life choices, sacrificing (or taking a real risk to sacrifice) some things they held dear for other ones. Chomsky in contrast does not take much of a risk with his writing, or certainly not a comparable one by any means, and is unlikely to ever do so.
It seems that instead of admitting to himself that his words will NEVER be taken as seriously as those of the real, risk-taking dissidents, he tries to rationalize the whole thing in a completely misguided way - many examples of this can be easily found if you re-read his paper with this interpretation in mind.
Now, this does not mean that everything he says is automatically false or bad. Some of it may even be eye-opening. But it is worth keeping in mind that perhaps he is not as honest with himself (and, as a consequence, with the readers) as a truly responsible intellectual should be.
And, even if there does exist such a person, that doesn't change that Chomsky presents very selective data (such as ignoring significant marks of respect to Bertrand Russell, or intellectuals' criticisms of George W. Bush) to support his claims about the faults of other intellectuals.
I can only gather from your comment that you have not read Chomsky's piece. There are facts upon facts there of intellectual support of government brutality by intellectual groups in the name of so called freedom and democracy. I don't have to cite them. They are clearly printed above. It would help if you read what you criticize.
The next part of the essay outlines how intellectuals in the past were condemned for criticizing the state but today we can see how they might have been right.
Then Chomsky starts to get into modern American history, saying this:
"That is why President Reagan had to support the apartheid regime, increasing trade with South Africa in violation of congressional sanctions"
But Reagan actually changed his mind about South Africa in 1985 and indeed thereafter became a major mover towards disinvestment.
See a report from 1985: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,959843,00.html
Including:
"The measures to be announced by Reagan . . .largely match line for line the seven essential points of the sanctions bill that the Senate is to begin considering this week, but go a step further by placing an embargo on the importation of arms from South Africa."
"it is expected, Reagan will announce that he is sending Ambassador Herman Nickel back to South Africa this week. The Ambassador will carry a letter from Reagan and will be charged with urging reforms on Pretoria."
According to the article, Reagan had been trying to quietly pressure South African president Botha towards giving blacks more political power but once it became clear that Botha was digging his heels in, Reagan decided to go for sanctions. His measures went even further than what Congress was looking for.
But Chomsky says: "Reagan had to support the apartheid regime."
This is untrue. Reagan didn't have to do anything and the facts are that Reagan was the one president who did apply sanctions to SA in contrast, for example, to Carter, even though leftist groups had been calling for sanctions since at least the late seventies.
And Chomsky's:
"increasing trade with South Africa in violation of congressional sanctions"
is untrue again. It was under Reagan's watch that in the mid-eighties sanctions against apartheid really took off. See "Achieving Critical Mass"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_from_South_Africa#Achieving_critical_mass_.281984-1989.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_from_South_Africa#Achieving_critical_mass_.281984-1989.29
Oh my poor dear Sand. I am alarmed for your mental health. Is this amnesia, or a sudden paralysis of the mouse button, or a combination of both, that has led to you forgetting that I indeed quoted from Chomsky's piece?
There are facts upon facts there of intellectual support of government brutality by intellectual groups in the name of so called freedom and democracy.
And Chomsky ignores facts upon facts of intellectual criticms of government brutality. As well as facts upon facts that it is wise to be cautious of the claims of Marxists to be on the side of freedom.
. It would help if you read what you criticize.
Indeed, this is excellent advice, which I have encountered many times well before I meet you, and is what allows me to tailor my criticism of Chomsky so carefully to what he said that you have yourself not been able to find anything wrong in anything I've actually said. I heartily recommend you take up yourself this very valuable practice. It saves a vast quantity of time if you actually engage with arguments that real people have said, rather than taking on strawmen, like your imaginary person in comment 66. And, if you read what you criticise, you might actually learn something.
If there is anything I can do to help you in actually reading what you criticise, please let me know.
But I must warn you, that I think that reading what you criticise, while vital, is only a start. You should also read other things. It's only, for example, by my other reading, that I know that Bertrand Russell is a Nobel Laureate. I hope the thought of the intellectual labour this will involve you in, does not scare you off.
I have already pointed out the time span difference in Russell's incarceration and the Nobel award. And you see no problems with that. It is the same as the current admiration of Socrates and his treatment by the intellectuals of his day. Or the similar cases of Bruno or Galileo or Christ. The time span may be different but the principle is the same. Go noodle someone else with your nonsense.
Turns out there is only a single exception to that rule and it's Reagan on the comprehensive anti-apartheid sanctions bill. Interesting.
However, let us return to what Noam Chomsky wrote above:
"That is why President Reagan had to support the apartheid regime, increasing trade with South Africa in violation of congressional sanctions."
The statement is incorrect, as your link shows.
Reagan was unable to "increase trade" as Congress, including his own Republican party, was determined to apply sanctions to South Africa.
Your source: "Sen. Nancy Kassebaum took the lead of the Republicans. She said . . . This regime was not going to change unless forced to . . . That sort of broke the Republican unity behind Reagan on this policy . . . The House vote wasn't even recorded, it was so overwhelming in favor of imposing sanctions. The Senate vote was more than enough to override the veto, which it did."
In other words, the American gov't as a whole did the right thing, Republicans included (so overwhelming, they didn't even need to count the vote), and massive sanctions were applied.
So for Chomsky to say that Reagan increased trade "in violation of congressional sanctions" is incorrect. He couldn't and he didn't.
Bottom line is massive sanctions were applied during the Reagan years, probably contributing to bringing down the apartheid regime.
Also, Reagan was always opposed to apartheid per se, but at first thought quieter pressure would lead to change.
Your source: "The idea of (Reagan's) constructive engagement was that there were moderates in the South African government and so you wanted to encourage them. And if you constructively engaged with them, they would promote gradual change, political reform and so on. But to just oppose the government would make it intransigent and that would create greater polarization, and that was a situation that only extremists would benefit from."
Later on Reagan's view was changed (as I indicated in previous post). Even the anti-Reagan historian in your source has to admit that, albeit grudgingly.
Your source: "(SA president Botha) said that South Africa would never accept one man, one vote in a unitary system. Real democracy, he said, would lead to chaos. This disappointed Reagan."
"Russell continued to be bitterly condemned until after his death—and in current biographies still is."
Chomsky was specifically saying that condemnation of Russell continued until after his death. And I pointed out that Russell won a Nobel Prize, which is not given to dead people. Chomsky explicitly covered the time frame where he failed to give counter-evidence.
"Go noodle someone else with your nonsense."
This is a very rapid change. One moment you were telling me that it's wise to read what you criticise, and, now that I'm agreeing with you, you now tell me that your previous advice was nonsense.
I am getting really worried about you. This sort of odd amnesia could be a very dangerous symptom, I suggest going to a doctor - they can check you out for a simple physical cause of it, like a brain tumour. Please make a note of this, and do it immediately, before you have another outbreak of amnesia.
After beginning with false statements concerning the death of Bin Laden (see my #s 56 and #57), the essay gives examples of intellectuals who were condemned by the state but we now think well of. Then there is another false statement to do with Reagan and apartheid. (my #s71 and 73).
After this follows discussion of the massacre of Jesuits by government forces during the civil war in El Salvador.
There is a claim made with no direct evidence given that the US was directing a war against "the church" because the Jesuits and those like them were Liberation Theologians.
Then comes the following statement:
"One major initiative was a military coup in Brazil, planned in Washington and implemented shortly after Kennedy’s assassination"
This refers to the General's Coup of 1964. Nowhere have I been able to find any evidence that Washington planned this coup.
Latest declassified documents show Johnson's"readiness to back the coup forces."
(see http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB118/index.htm)
And:
"Among the documents are Top Secret cables sent by U.S. Ambassador Lincoln Gordon who forcefully pressed Washington for direct involvement in supporting coup plotters led by Army Chief of Staff General Humberto Castello Branco. 'If our influence is to be brought to bear to help avert a major disaster here-which might make Brazil the China of the 1960s-this is where both I and all my senior advisors believe our support should be placed."
And from wikipedia: "
"The coup was foreseen by both pro- and anti-Goulart forces. In Rio de Janeiro, Leonel Brizola, a Goulart ally (and brother-in-law), had organized as far back as in October 1963 so-called "Groups of Eleven", or groups of eleven people who would work in supporting Goulart's reforms,[8] but could theoretically be converted to a form of militia to defend Goulart's presidency.[9] On the other side, on March 20, 1964, some 10 days before the coup, Humberto de Alencar Castello Branco, chief of staff for the army, circulated a letter to the highest echelons of the military warning of the dangers of communism.[10]
On March 30, the American military attaché in Brazil, Colonel Vernon A. Walters, telegraphed the State Department. In that telegraph, he confirmed that Brazilian army generals had committed themselves to acting against Goulart within a week of the meeting, but no date was set."
From globalsecurity.org:
"The role of the United States in these events was complex and at times contradictory. An anti-Goulart press campaign was conducted throughout 1963, and in 1964 the Johnson administration gave moral support to the campaign. Ambassador Lincoln Gordon later admitted that the embassy had given money to anti-Goulart candidates in the 1962 municipal elections . . . and that four United States Navy oil tankers and the carrier Forrestal , in an operation code-named Brother Sam, had stood off the coast in case of need during the 1964 coup. Washington immediately recognized the new government in 1964 and joined the chorus chanting that the coup d'état of the "democratic forces" had staved off the hand of international communism. In retrospect, it appears that the only foreign hand involved was Washington's, although the United States was not the principal actor in these events."
Repeating that: Not the principal actor in the events.
Conclusion is that the US was certainly involved in backing the coup but that is absolutely not the same thing as what Chomsky is saying here that the coup was
"planned in Washington and implemented shortly after Kennedy’s assassination"
So this is another false and misleading statement by Noam Chomsky. In fact the coup was not planned and implemented by Washington (top-down) but it would appear that US intervention was a reaction to the unfolding domestic situation.
Apart from the argument that consists in reviewing US-led regime changes in other Latin American countries, and assuming that such an intervention must have happened in Chile too - the evidence for a CIA involvement in the Chile coup is scant.
The US foreign policy is regularly and strongly attacked by the conservative economist Paul Craig Roberts. Here is what he says about the Chile coup:
"The left needs to make up its mind. Did the CIA and or Kissinger
overthrow Allende or did Pinochet do it?
My colleague and I studied it for years and talked to everyone involved. The book by my colleague and myself was favorably reviewed by the progressive establishment in Chile after Pinochet was out of power. My colleague spent two years in Chile researching the book, researching newspaper files, interviewing the generals, Pinochet, housewives, businessmen, members of the successor government, civilian members of the Pinochet government, surviving terrorists. I myself interviewed Pinochet, and a former "most wanted" terrorist who ended up president of the
Spanish-owned telephone company and a number of others who experienced
the era.
I am sure that Pinochet refused to act until he had reassuring word of the US position on Allende, but Pinochet was pushed into action by the Chilean people and Chilean Congress, not by the CIA. The Chilean Congress passed a resolution denouncing Allende for destroying the Constitution and for allowing armed para-military units to terrorize the people and called on the military to oust Allende.
Most people do not know that Allende was not elected. "
Article on the topic: http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts189.html
Review of the said book: http://www.policyofliberty.net/HPdA/RobertsAraujo.html
Quotes from http://www.opednews.com/a/135325?show=votes#allcomments
Since the topic of Chomsky's article is the responsibility of intellectuals, I have to ask: What kind of intellectuals are the leftist elites who not only refuse to accept this study's conclusions, but also - its existence?! It is fitting to note Paul Craig Roberts' point that the truth about Chile is deliberately ignored by the left wing (to which I partly belong) because it challenges their secret dogmatic beliefs.
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#U.S._role
against Chomsky's description:
"September 11, 1973, when the United States succeeded in its intensive efforts to overthrow the democratic government of Salvador Allende in Chile with a military coup that placed General Pinochet’s ghastly regime in office."
I feel a bit cheated by Chomsky.
How about you?
You know, seeing as he used the whole 9/11 occasion to write this article and all.
If he's this far off on the facts in this instance, in how many other instances might he be this far off?
Then moves on to a falsehood concering Ronald Reagan and apartheid. (my #s 69, 73.)
Then conjures up an uproved accusation concerning the Brazil coup in 1964 as if it were a fact. (my comment #75.)
Now the essay moves into the realm of Haiti.
Chomsky says:
"The United States at once moved to undermine the elected government, and after the military coup that overthrew it a few months later, lent substantial support to the vicious military junta and its elite supporters."
Presented without footnotes.
According to what I have been able to research, what happened in Haiti is that Aristide was overthrown for trying to stop the drug trade.
"Aristide's actions against drug smuggling may have contributed to his overthrow.[4][5] After the coup (led by Raoul Cédras), members of the new coup regime, notably Chief of National Police Michel François, were accused of drug smuggling[6] at a much greater rate.[5] A 1992 US State Department report noted that Aristide was "planning new policies and institutions to combat narcotics trafficking, [and] his ouster...crippled narcotics control efforts in Haiti."[5] An internal 1993 US Congress memo stated that "all those jailed for drug-trafficking have been released and...Michel Francois has personally supervised the landing of planes carrying drugs and weapons."[5]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Haitian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
New York Times reported no evidence linking CIA to directly enacting a coup. (same source)
Indeed it seems that Aristide's life was saved by US diplomats the day of the coup.
(Collins, Edward Jr.; Cole, Timothy M. (1996), "Regime Legitimation in Instances of Coup-Caused Governments-in-Exile: The Cases of Presidents Makarios and Aristide", Journal of International Law & Practice 5(2), p199.)
But far more importantly, it is also an indisputable fact that Aristide was returned to power in a military operation backed by the US.
If the US was so determined, on an ideological basis, to crush liberation theology, as Chomsky is asserting, then why would they have invaded Haiti and restored Aristide to power in '94?
Chomsky says:
"lent substantial support to the vicious military junta"
If his idea of "substantial support" means invading and destroying the junta - which is what the US did - then it may be that the professor of linguistics is in need of a dictionary.
Doesn't the fact of the military operation enforcing UN resolution 940, backed by every country in the world save a handful, the first time the UN ever voted to uphold the results of a democractic election with force - does't that fact tend to just slightly contradict Noam Chomsky's thesis?
Did Aristide suddenly become a puppet of the US to be restored - yet wasn't he the same man that Chomsky calls "a popular priest committed to liberation theology"?
It makes absolutely no sense that if the US was behind the coup that got rid of Aristide - as Chomsky asserts - that they would turn around a short while later, invade Haiti and crush the junta that they had supposedly just put in power and restore Aristide to power.
To recap:
1) Chomsky: "The United States at once moved to undermine the elected government"
Reality: Aristide took on the drug lords and they knocked him off the throne.
2)Chomsky: "The United States . . .lent substantial support to the vicious military junta"
Reality : The US actually invaded and destroyed the junta and put Aristide back in power!
Note: not dealing with the events ten years later here, only with the Chomsky claim that Aristide was undermined as soon as he took office because he was a liberation theologian.
Regarding Chomsky's claim that bin Laden was unarmed and without protection and could have easily been captured: (according to Canada's own link)
"There were two weapons near bin Laden in his room, including an AK-47 assault rifle and a Russian-made semi-automatic Makarov pistol,[3][68] but according to his wife Amal, he was shot before he could reach his AK-47.[75] According to the Associated Press the guns were on a shelf next to the door and the SEALs did not see them until they were photographing the body."
That's far closer to Chomsky's original claim than Canada's. Having weapons merely in the room but out of reach does not constitute being armed under legal interpretation of being armed. The wiki link also mentioned that according to some US sources at the scene, only one person out of the five at the Osama compound that was killed was armed. Also the link mentioned that the SEAL team fired on Osama when they saw him on the Balcony. The legality of the assassination aside, the fact that it was an assassination of an unarmed man (which is what Chomsky claimed) seem to be corroborated by the evidence.
As for Canada's claim that the Haitian coup was supported by the CIA:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO402D.html
"During the military government (1991-1994), FRAPH was (unofficially) under the jurisdiction of the Armed Forces, taking orders from Commander in Chief General Raoul Cedras. According to a 1996 UN Human Rights Commission report, FRAPH had been supported by the CIA."
Chomsky also seems correct in asserting that Reagan's policies toward SA are correct as the Salon link someone supplied shows.
As to someone's claim that Allende was not democratically elected, there does not seem to be anything to that claim.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3089846.stm
"Having weapons merely in the room but out of reach does not constitute being armed under legal interpretation of being armed."
No reference to where this imaginary "legal interpretation" might exist.
What is harder to imagine, however, is the level of ignorance that would lead someone to claim that a court might regard a suspect as unarmed if they merely happened to stockpile their bedroom with a machine gun.
(And in addition melektaus's source indicates bin Laden's own wife says he was going for the weapon.)
On Chomsky's self-evidently ludicrous statement that bin Laden could have been "easily apprehended", without offering a shred of evidence for this military assessment, melektaus has of course nothing to say.
On Chomsky's false claim that Bin Laden was "with no protection", melektaus has been equally struck dumb. Well he should be, since his own source informs us the Seal team came under fire from Bin Laden's courier Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti and a firefight ensued. Yes he had protection and yes Noam Chomsky's statement is therefore false.
(See my comments #56 and #57 for more detail.)
Then melektaus writes:
"As for Canada's claim that the Haitian coup was supported by the CIA:"
No quotation of my so-called claim is given here, of course, since what I wrote above is the exact opposite, as anyone can see by actually reading what I wrote about Haiti in comment #80, including this:
"New York Times reported no evidence linking CIA to directly enacting a coup."
Nothing too is said about my showing Chomsky's inaccurate claims about Brazil's 1964 coup (my comment #75)
Then melektaus writes:
"Chomsky also seems correct in asserting that Reagan's policies toward SA are correct (sic) as the Salon link someone supplied shows."
Seeming correct is of course not the same as being correct.
Chomsky said: "That is why President Reagan had to support the apartheid regime, increasing trade with South Africa in violation of congressional sanctions."
Reagan did not in fact increase trade in violation of congressional sanctions.
Sanctions were in fact passed and applied by congress against SA during Reagan's term as president.
Those are the facts and Chomsky is wrong.
See my comment #73 for more detailed quotes and links.
It is similarly a fact that Aristide was put back into power by a US invasion force after a coup threw him out. Whereas Chomsky incorrectly claims that the US leant "substantial support" to the junta that had enacted the coup. Yes, such substantial support that they invaded and destroyed them.
There are no errors of fact in my analysis, yet melektaus writes:
"Joe Canada's analysis seem (sic) replete with factual error; so much so that his/her sincerity may be questioned."
And then is naturally unable to supply a single example of these factual errors. Not one.
One may well turn the question of sincerity onto one who so casually issues slanders without evidence.
What is harder to imagine, however, is the level of ignorance that would lead someone to claim that a court might regard a suspect as unarmed if they merely happened to stockpile their bedroom with a machine gun."
Those who are severely ignorant of the law (and common sense as it would appear) often play these kinds of equivocation games. "Armed" here means that one has the immediate capacity to use a weapon. Merely having them in the vicinity does not constitute being armed because location is irrelevant to the issue of whether Osama was liable to *use* against the SEAL team. Merely having a weapon in his vicinity thus does not constitute being armed and Chomsky's claim that he could have been arrested without the threat of being shot by him seem to stand (again, by Canada's own wiki link).
The most damning evidence that Osama was "unarmed" is from the White House's own mouth released through their press secretary.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0503/Were-Navy-SEALs-justified-in-shooting-an-unarmed-Osama-bin-Laden
"The Obama administration on Tuesday altered its account of the killing of Osama bin Laden, making clear for the first time that the Al Qaeda leader was unarmed when he was confronted and shot dead by US commandos."
Again, I'm not arguing the legality of killing an unarmed terrorist. You might make a good argument that it was legal and moral to kill him even unarmed but the simple fact remains, by the legal and the White House's own admission and definition they used, Osama was *unarmed* wholly corroborating with Chomsky's claim contra Canada's. As to Chomsky's claim that he could have "easily" been captured alive, Chomsky seems to be able to at least make a commonsense justification for that statement. One man (who is quite old, and yes, unarmed, and has a history of health problems) and his two wife and one daughter against an entire SEAL team that is armed to the teeth seem to corroborate Chomsky at least somewhat.
Canada's other posts are equally baseless as my above posts already demonstrates. For example, what Reagan did after 1985 is simply irrelevant to what Chomsky ever claimed. Pointing out that Reagan went quite far in denouncing apartheid after 1985 simply doesn't even address Chomsky's original claim.
As to Chomsky's claim that the US had a role in the Haitian coup, again, Chomsky seem to have some reasonable ground for support that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Haitian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat#Controversy_regarding_U.S._involvement
"A new book on the subject, Damming the Flood: Haiti, Aristide and the Politics of Containment by Peter Hallward, scrupulously documents the events leading up to February 29, 2004, and concludes that what occurred during the "rebellion" was in fact a modern coup d'état, financed and orchestrated by forces allied with the US government. Hallward provides extensive documentation for his claims in interviews he has given on the subject.[34]
"One may well turn the question of sincerity onto one who so casually issues slanders without evidence."
The word "slander" like "unarmed" should not be used without thinking carefully as to what they mean.
Noam was invited to take part in the Russell Tribunal regarding the American war in Vietnam, which took place in Stockholm and Roskilde in 1967, but he declined the invitation. However, when the proceedings of the two session were published as "Against the Crime of Silence" ed. Duffet 1970 and "Prevent the Crime of Silence" ed. Ken Coates, 1971, he wrote well-informed introductions and contributed his important article "After Pinkville" (Song My) to the British version. He also gave the Russell Lectures at Cambridge in 1971, which were published as "Problems of Knowledge and Freedom", in which his admiration for Lord Russell is obvious.
Noam and Bertie were among few intellectuals who felt the responsibility to inform the general public about what really was going on in Vietnam and Southeast Asia, where the Americans dropped more bombs than were dropped during the whole WWII in an attempt to convince the population that democracy American style was a much better political system than socialism and/or communism.Strangely enough the Vietnamese were not convinced.
When Dr. Chomsky says:
"Russell continued to be bitterly condemned until after his death—and in current biographies still is."
he's talking about the last years of Russell's life, when he was an outspoken critic of both the US and the Soviet Union. Russell was imprisoned in 1961 for his struggle against the proliferation of nuclear bombs, a threat that very few seem to be aware of today. To a certain extant Russell had to blame himself because of the rhetoric he used at the time. But that doesn't change the fact the US's war in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia was a crime against the peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed and the executive president of the tribunal - Jean Paul Sartre - convinced the other members that the US' bombings, use of Agent Orange, etc amounted to Genocide. Now that might sound like an exaggeration, but all things considered, Sartre made a very good case.
When Noam talks about "current biographies" he's most likely referring to Ray Monk's biographies of his favorite - Ludwig Wittgenstein - and his favorite hate object - Bertrand Russell -. But Noam is forgetting to mention Nick Griffin's 2 volumes of Russell's Selected Letters, which give a fair and scholarly evaluation of Russell's political activism.
Russell was awarded the Nobel Prize for what? Peace, not but Literature in 1950.
If you want to know more about Russell - join the BRS - we need more people to carry on the memory of one of the greatest intellectuals in history, whose political philosophy can be summarized in his few words: "Love is wise, hatred is foolish!" It might sound superficial, but think about it - do you have a better political philosophy?
Dr. Andersson
from Sweden working on a book about the Russell Tribunals. If you have any questions or ideas about the Russell Tribunal, please visit my homepag: www.stefankarlandersson.com
"Armed here means that one has the immediate capacity to use a weapon. Merely having them in the vicinity does not constitute being armed"
According to which authority? What legal precedent is being cited? What court decision? In what law, civil, criminal or martial does it state that "merely having them in the vicinity does not constitute being armed." What ruling, what judge, what jury finding?
Because melektaus seems to have forgotten what he asserted, namely: "Having weapons merely in the room but out of reach does not constitute being armed under legal interpretation of being armed (sic)."
Of course everyone can see this melektaus has failed to provide any "legal interpretation" at all; it hardly needs stating that a white house press release does not constitute a legal ruling.
So having failed to back up his grandiose statement with any evidence whatsoever (rather like Chomsky) he now resorts to "common sense."
Well, on a common sense level if a police force suspects that a dangerous suspect has machine guns in the house they are raiding you can bet he will be treated as armed. (And if he does not comply immediately with their very specific orders he will be shot dead.)
On a common sense level there is no way to instantaneously determine where a weapon may or may not be hidden as a suspect lunges.
And citing this "common sense" in defense of Chomsky's statement that bin Laden could have been "easily apprehended" is even more amusingly asinine than Chomsky's original statement.
Obviously the SEAL team had no idea what precisely was in store for them. Melektaus's so-called common sense can only be applied in retrospect in this case and is therefore meaningless.
If Chomsky thinks bin Laden could have been "easily apprehended" then let him supply some evidence for this non-commmon sense statement.
Let him use his vast military expertise to lecture us on just how easy it would be to have "easily apprehended" the world's most wanted terrorist, providing tactical details for his learned assessment.
On Reagan. Chomsky said: "That is why President Reagan had to support the apartheid regime, increasing trade with South Africa in violation of congressional sanctions."
Reagan did not in fact increase trade in violation of congressional sanctions.
Sanctions were in fact passed and applied by congress against SA during Reagan's term as president.
Those are the facts and Chomsky is wrong.
Melektaus fails to address Chomsky's statement at all, and his criticism is therefore an irrelevant non-sequitur.
On Haiti.
The US invaded Haiti in 1994 after the coup, destroyed the junta and put elected Aristide back in power.
Those are the facts.
While above, Chomsky claims that the US leant "substantial support" to the junta - in truth the US dismantled it.
Chomksy's claim is therefore false.
As for the book link on Haiti that melektaus provides - this is truly laughable.
Those are the events of 2004 not 1994, an entirely different coup altogether and one that obviously has no bearing on my statements in comment #80, which were very careful to note that they were dealing with 1994 and not 2004.
Clearly melektaus is so ignorant of history that he has confused the two events.
It would be advisable for melektaus to actually read my comments at - #s 56,57, 69,73, 75 and 80 - before claiming that they are "replete with factual error" and before making personal attacks.
Thusfar, obviously, not a single error of fact has been provided.
(Chomsky's statement on Chile's coup is another false statement (#75), one that melektaus says nothing about even as he tries to smear every point I've made as "baseless.")
It would be advisable for any eager undergraduate mimic of Chomsky to check Chomsky's statements very, very carefully against the historical record and not just to accept them without evidence.
Everything I have stated in my factual analysis of Chomsky's statements is correct.
I will in time go on with my factual analysis of Chomsky's statements, trusting that no more attention need be paid to silly assertions like these made by the apparently callow and certainly indolent melektaus.
According to the White House. You seem unsurprisingly silent on that most damaging source. What higher authority to justify Chomsky's usage of "unarmed" than from the people ultimately responsible for carrying out the whole operation?
No amount of hand waving, word games will bury that fact. The bottom line is that you are wrong. Chomsky's claim that Osama was unarmed is backed by the White House's official press release. That means Chomsky's claim was justified contra what you said that it wasn't.
Moving on.
Chomsky's claim that Osama could have "easily" been captured alive also seems to be justified and "Joe Canada" has not provided a shred of evidence, grandiose claims and all, to the contrary.
By all the accounts given in Canada's links and mine, we know that there was gunshots fired near the compound where Osama was kept. Also according to the account from Canada's link, Osama saw the SEAL team from the balcony approaching. We also know that he had several firearms in the room he retreated to upstairs. We also know, again, that Osama was unarmed at the time the SEAL team reached him. If Osama knew moments before the SEAL team was there and was actively trying to resist with deadly force his capture, why didn't he have his firearms on his person and ready to fire? Instead according to the link Canada supplied, he did not reach his firearms before he was shot. He didn;t even have it on his person. That gives prima facie credence to Chomsky's claim that he could have been captured alive and Canada's daft assertions have not been supported by any evidence has provided. Additionally, the link he provided did not say nor imply that Osama was reaching for his weapons at the time he was shot. It said that he was “shot before he could reach his” weapon. As anyone that is functionally literate beyond the 4th grade level will tell you, that does not say or even imply that he was reaching for his weapon at the time he was shot, again, contra to Canada's claims that my “source indicates bin Laden's own wife says he was going for the weapon.”
Moving on.
Chomsky said that the US “lent substantial support to the vicious military junta and its elite supporters.” Again, that is supported by the facts. Joe Canada's ferocious ignorance despite the evidence already presented demolishing his claims not with standing. The coup was in 1991 and Constant was a paid CIA agent until 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Constant
“In mid-1993, after the 1991 Haitian coup d'état, Constant, a Central Intelligence Agency operative, organised FRAPH, a Haitian death squad, to terrorize supporters of exiled president Jean-Bertrand Aristide.[1] One CIA source implicated Constant in the 1993 assassination of Justice Minister Guy Malary, although the Agency said the source was "untested".[4]
Constant "was a paid agent of the C.I.A. from 1992 to 1994, as were several leading members of the military junta. He provided information to the agency for about $500 a month, according to United States officials and Mr. Constant himself."[4]”
Also see,
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/13/world/93-report-by-cia-tied-haiti-agent-to-slaying.html
Moving on.
“Reagan did not in fact increase trade in violation of congressional sanctions.”
This is not provided a shred of evidence and like much of Canada's baseless and grandiose claims, contrary to t3he evidence already presented. Again, since Canada seems to be either too lazy, insincere or illiterate to read the link already provided: according the salon link:
Where did things stand between the U.S. and South Africa when Reagan entered office in 1981?
Carter had imposed sanctions and restrictions on South Africa and also had publicly criticized the South African government many times. Reagan went back to supporting the government, and he did it under the guise of the policy of "constructive engagement." This policy had been worked out by Chester Crocker, later a Reagan State Department official, who wrote about it in Foreign Affairs in 1980.
Can you define that term, constructive engagement?
The idea of constructive engagement was that there were moderates in the South African government and so you wanted to encourage them. And if you constructively engaged with them, they would promote gradual change, political reform and so on. But to just oppose the government would make it intransigent and that would create greater polarization, and that was a situation that only extremists would benefit from. The Reagan administration saw the African National Congress (ANC) as a dangerous, pro-communist movement. So the notion of constructive engagement was gradual reform. It was also linked to Reagan supporting the Sullivan principles as a proper way to bring about change.
What were the Sullivan principles?
They were an idea promoted by an American religious leader, Reverend Leon Sullivan, a Baptist minister in Philadelphia. What he said was that, if corporations agree to certain standards of fair employment in South Africa, they shouldn't be subjected to protests or divestiture. At that time there were a lot of protests in the United States demanding that universities and corporations divest from South Africa. Sullivan argued that these principles would be part of a middle ground between two extremes that would allow for change and betterment of the conditions of blacks in South Africa. Reagan seized upon that. Constructive engagement was presented as a middle ground between apartheid forever and those that wanted immediate change -- which Reagan and Crocker argued would lead to chaos that the Soviets would take advantage of.
So what did that policy mean on the ground? Were the two governments close?
Yes, the Reagan administration worked very closely with [South African Prime Minister] P.W. Botha. He came to Washington and there were meetings in Europe as well. Reagan gave a lot of public support to the South African government, portraying Botha as a moderate who was willing to start political reforms and would stay on the side of the United States and help us block Soviet influence in southern Africa.
How did that square with what was actually going on in South Africa?
Nothing was going on. The reforms were cosmetic at best. Sullivan would eventually say in 1987 that it didn't work. The crackdown of 1986 and the reimposition of martial law just made a total lie out of the notion that there were moderates in the Afrikaner government.
Talk about that crackdown and the U.S. response to it.
There was a lot of pressure building up in the United States, and Congress was threatening to pass legislation that would put sanctions on South Africa and restrict the flow of American aid to South Africa. Reagan always said he would veto that. Then Botha gave a speech on Aug. 15, 1985, in the face of increasing unrest in South Africa -- this known as the "Rubicon speech." And he said that South Africa would never accept one man, one vote in a unitary system. Real democracy, he said, would lead to chaos. This disappointed Reagan. But he stuck with Botha. Pressure built both inside of South Africa and outside, and the protest inside of South Africa led to the imposition of martial law. Congress then voted sanctions.
Was this the incident in which sanctions were voted and Reagan vetoed and was then overruled?
Yes. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum took the lead of the Republicans. She said that the situation in South Africa was virtually beyond hope and that constructive engagement was irrelevant. This regime was not going to change unless forced to. The United States was just party to this continued oppression. That sort of broke the Republican unity behind Reagan on this policy. The larger context was that Reagan had just failed in the Philippines in trying to back [Ferdinand] Marcos to the end. The Reagan doctrine was collapsing in Central America as well, with opposition growing to his interventions there. So that was also now happening in South Africa. The House vote wasn't even recorded, it was so overwhelming in favor of imposing sanctions. The Senate vote was more than enough to override the veto, which it did.
What about U.S. policy toward the opposition groups like the ANC and Nelson Mandela?
They called the ANC terrorists. It was just continuing this notion that the ANC members are the extremists and the South African government has these moderates, and you're going to end up with one extreme against the other if you don't work with the government. Clearly, it never worked. This was a flawed policy.
By the end of the Reagan years, had the policy changed?
Well, Reagan's attitudes hadn't changed, but the policy changed because Congress changed it and voted sanctions. That cut off a lot of the flow of American capital. Sullivan renounced his position. Bishop Desmond Tutu came to the United States in 1984 after being awarded the Nobel Prize. He speaks in the House of Representatives and says that constructive engagement is a farce, and that it just entrenched the existing order. He said Reagan's policy was "immoral, evil and totally un-Christian."
After Reagan met with Tutu, he was asked at a press conference to talk about their meeting. Reagan said, "It is counterproductive for one country to splash itself all over the headlines, demanding that another government do something." Then he claimed that black tribal leaders had expressed their support for American investment. He was trying to discredit Tutu's argument that U.S. policy had hurt blacks. Anti-communism trumped so much in Reagan's view of the non-Western world.
Would you argue that Reagan's foreign policy extended the life of the regime in South Africa?
Yes. It gave it life. It gave it hope that the United States would continue to stick with it. It gave it continued flow of aid as well as ideological support. It delayed the changes that were going to come. Then you had the big crackdowns in '86 and '87. So there was harm in the lengthening. There was harm in the violence that continued.
I think a lot of well-meaning people in the United States bought the Sullivan principles and constructive engagement, because it seems reasonable. Reagan would say, "If we're willing to talk to the Russians, why aren't we willing to talk to the South African government?" We're going to encourage them to moderate and reform -- it sounds reasonable. But there was no real pressure. It was all talk. And it was exposed as that.
I post the whole text from the link so that people who are sincere and literate may read for themselves and see for themselves the level at which some people will try to distort things with word games and innuendo and strawmen to argue for biased grandiose claims.
Not a shred.
Everything Chomsky said that was under dispute by Canada seems to check out sometimes even using Canada's own links one can see this.
This brings up the next question: What is behind this seemingly monstrous display of ignorance? Is it ignorance itself or something more sinister like a lack of sincerity? I suspect it is a combination.
I was wondering if you could give some citations for your claims that:
A) "All Chomsky's grammatic theories have gradually been shown to be incorrect."
B) "We now understand the academic regime he ran at his university was dictatorial in excluding other views."
Poorly constructed arguments against his stances, by people who simply fail to grasp the priority he places on the little guy. One does not deal with people like that by addressing their complaints (e.g. demanding citations for "grammatic errors"), but one simply ignores them because such comments are clearly not honest comments.
About the '73 coup, Chomsky wrote:
"September 11, 1973, when the United States succeeded in its intensive efforts to overthrow the democratic government of Salvador Allende in Chile with a military coup that placed General Pinochet’s ghastly regime in office."
Compare that to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile#1973_coup
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#U.S._role
For someone who speaks about the responsibility of intellectuals, does this statement by Chomsky sound intellectually responsible?
On that note, can you sympathize with me you Chomsky supporter who is likes factual arguments?
"And U.S. officials in the years before 1973 may not always have succeeded in walking the thin line between monitoring indigenous coup plotting and actually stimulating it"
Also, see here for an explicit claim that the CIA was involved directly:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm
"As if there were no other forces at work in the world except the United States and everyone else is reduced simply to react to the U.S., having no will, opinion, or agency other than relative to the omnipotent United States." (from #42 above)
How Noam Chomsky would comment on those Syrian intellectuals and their stance?
Riad Matqualoon, damasrose@hotmail.com
Syrian Intellectuals on Syrian Crisis.